How serious is a verbal warning really?

Nurses General Nursing

Published

Hey, all!

To provide an introduction and some background, I am a 23-year old nurse who works in NC at a nationally-acclaimed Magnet hospital and this month marks 13 months that I have been practicing in the nursing profession. I have spent all of this time working on a cardiac telemetry unit, however, I am slated to start my new job in the Neurosurgical ICU in just 11 days.

The company I work for has a very specific, linear absenteeism protocol for supervisors to follow regarding, well, employee absences. You are allowed 3 without any reprimand whatsoever, and any absences taken in consistency (Ex: calling out all 3 days in a week) are considered a single absence "event," which is essentially one absence in the eyes of the employer. The 4th absence or absence event results in a simple informal verbal warning with no real consequence; however, the following absences result in a formal verbal warning, written warning, a final warning, and termination.

My question is: I have just called out for my 5th time and I am afraid this will affect my job status and/or will cause my manager to place a freeze on my already-approved transfer to NSICU. How serious is a formal verbal warning? I am a diligent and reliable employee who has never been reprimanded for anything, and often regarded with a high degree of respect and warmth by my all of my colleagues, including my supervisors and manager. Taking this into consideration, am I in trouble next time I go to work? Should I be concerned for my job? I have a lot of anxiety, so I am already giving myself a stress ulcer. :(

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Yeah that's a silly rule. Sick days are for calling in sick. Getting a disciplinary action for the flu is just stupid

The disciplinary action is meant to deter or provide recourse for those who abuse it. And there are plenty who do abuse it.

If you're getting "the flu" multiple times in a year, then you're either lying to get out of work, or should set up intermittent FMLA to address your ongoing health issues. ("You" in general, I wasn't speaking to anyone specifically)

Specializes in Neurosurgical Intensive Care.

I appreciate your response. Fortunately, my absences are months apart. Ever since I had my tonsils removed right before going off to college, I have frequently acquired peritonsillar abscesses. The rate of acquisition used to be somewhat like every month for about the first year of this. Since then, the occurrences have begun to space themselves out, but I still do suffer from them from time-to-time, in addition, of course, to other common ailments out there. It's frustrating for sure, but I guess I do need to start figuring out a way to work with it when it happens. I wish my employer believed in excusing absences in exchange for a physician's note. :/

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Again, if you have ongoing health issues, you should set up intermittent FMLA so that your absences related to your health issue won't be counted against you in their absence policy.

Specializes in Critical care.
I have a lot of anxiety, so I am already giving myself a stress ulcer. :(

Better relax, calling in sick for the ulcer would be the 6th!

Specializes in Case manager, float pool, and more.

FMLA (as mentioned already)and a doctor's note might work in your favor. Check with HR or your employee handbook about utilizing them at your facility.

That's why they call it a verbal warning. It's not that bad. Transfer while you can.

Specializes in 15 years in ICU, 22 years in PACU.

Any employee who calls in sick every other month is not reliable.

If you had to work an extra shift for every time that employee call in, you would notice it real quick and be the first to complain. Have you ever seen an attendance record where an entire year is seen on a little 3x5 card and each sick day is marked in red? It would surprise you how those "few" sick days that seemed so innocent to you then, now look so bad.

It really doesn't matter how legitimate your sick days were. If you want to stay in the running for transfers or other promotions you must stop the red ink.

If you have any advance warning can you get a buddy to trade with you? Take OTCs and muddle through? Suck it up and wear a mask? When calling in sick is NOT an option, it's amazing how creative we can be.

I don't want a sick nurse caring for me or my loved ones when they're fresh post op or with cancer even with a mask. That mask doesn't stop a virus, red checks or not.

My facility has a similar policy. It's ridiculous l. You should not be penalized for using your own PTO time. It's a benefit that you earned. How I use my PTO should not be up for debate. If I'm sick, or my child is sick and I have valid PTO time why is that an occurrence?

I feel like I'm exposed to far more with my kids in daycare than even the hospital and I get sick. I've beem sick all winter. Who wants a nurse taking care of them whose hacking, sneezing, coughing, with a fever? That's not really the most healing environment for patients.

That doesn't make me unreliable. Maybe my immune system, go ahead and write up my immune system. It really irritates the heck out of me to get a verbal warning for taking my company provided benefits. It's like we are only supposed to take it if we plan our illnesses at least 3 months ahead of time with managements approval. And then only two at a time may schedule illnesses.

My husband and I split up who stays home with the kids when one gets sick. But from October until April, with multiple kids, one is bound to be sick once a month, or every other month. It's life.

I had to recently take a verbal warning over attendance. I was ticked off on the inside. I was told it was no big deal. See if it actually goes to HR.

Specializes in retired LTC.

PP Mavrick's post is very RIGHT ON. And contrary to most others' thoughts, I think your verbal warning should NOT be looked upon lightly.

Just curious, how many days (as versus 'events') are you actually permitted per year? I think you may be pushing the limit. And your HN/manager might now be having to get down to the real bolts & nuts of your absenteeism.

For every day you're not at work, another nurse gets plugged in (think overtime) or the unit works short (think morale). Employers need employees to be on the job. Pt care still needs to be delivered. And you're getting to the point where you can't be counted upon. Sorry, that you're not feeling well, but that's not the employer's responsibility. You may be getting a reputation and your prospective new manager may not want to take a chance with you.

So a verbal warning may not be that innocuous as it seems, and more likely than not, it does start that nefarious 'paper trail' against you. It could be verrrry easy for a sudden change to delay your transfer, as in, 'we can't spare you to leave YET' or 'mgt is holding all transfers right now'.

As others have said, check out FMLA. But just know that is may NOT provide you with the magic 'pass card' that you desire. You're kind of an older newbie; I've seen senior staff broadsided for excessive absenteeism even when truly needed for their health needs. NOONE is exempt. Once that paper trail is started, you need to proceed cautiously (altho there are some here on AN that feel differently).

Good luck.

Specializes in Critical Care and ED.

I think it's ridiculous to go into work if you are genuinely sick, but unfortunately most employers have strict rules about it. I have a serious, incurable condition that flares its head every month (endometriosis/adenomyosis). I literally have to call out every time I menstruate so I was able to get intermittent FMLA approved as it's known that I have to take off at least one day a month. Going in to work sick is not an option for me because I'm usually in 10/10 pain for 36 hours straight and can't even stand, so muddling through just won't work for me. However, I'm not sure if they'd approve FMLA for peritonsillar abscesses, but you won't know until you try. It does require an extensive evaluation by your physician and a bunch of forms to fill out, but for me that's a small price to pay for being able to comfortably take off work when I need to.

I'm in a union and never have to really worry about this. When I'm sick (which is rare) I call in sick. In fact when I call in sick they aren't even allowed to ask why I'm calling off. I rarely did this and at one point had about 1000 hours of sick time built up. However, I did have to go to my clinical hours sick many times in my NP studies. I was going through my pediatric rotation at a local pediatrician's office. Almost as soon as I started I contracted the "kiddie krud" which is something that many newbies to that specialty go through. At my university not going to clinical hours for just about any reason is completely unacceptable so I muddled through. It was simply the worst experience I've ever had. I did the best I could but I'm sure it effected how well my patients were cared for. When you are sick you cannot provide the level of care your patients deserve so stay home. If your employer has to pay OT to cover this then so what as that is a cost of them doing business. If you being sick affects the morale of the other nurses on your unit too bad as this is a reciprocal situation where you have to cover for them when they are sick. Is it really fair to leave a patient worse then when we met them by spreading an illness we are carrying around to them? I don't think so

+ Add a Comment