How many think that you need to be "PC" in order to get your BSN successfully...

[Roland]

I was listening to the O'Reilly Factor radio program last night (or was it the night before last sometimes the days run together) and O'Reilly was complaining about a minority guy in one of his undergrad classes who received an "A" despite only attending two lectures (he said that he attended EVERY lecture and participated but sometimes took issue with the teacher and only got a B- for his efforts). In any case a lady called in who said she was in nursing school in Texas and that people were failed all the time for not having a "PC" (whatever THAT means) perspective. She said this generally occurs during the pass/fail part of clinicals (as opposed to the lecture exams).

Now I don't doubt that this does occur every ONCE in a while. Just as I don't doubt that their are minorities who are STILL blatently discriminated against in corporate America. However, do you really think it is a WIDESPREAD phenominum? In other words if a guy went into a hundred randomly selected nursing programs with the open philosophy of say a Shawn Hannity (but was an average or better student in all respects) in what percentage of BSN programs do you think he might find himself in trouble?

I would say less than five percent.

[researchrabbit]

You will never go wrong if you follow the lead of your patient on how you talk and act towards them...and if that's PC so be it. You sure don't want to PO someone who's already sick and cranky anyway, that's not going to help them get better unless they're of the "I'm gonna show you" ilk.

And the same for your coworkers, 'cause by the end of the day they are tired and cranky.

Apologizing when you've upset someone never hurt anyone either, even if you didn't do it on purpose.

I would rather err on the side of harmony.

Then again, the "Plays and Works Well With Others" that I got on my Kindergarten report card pretty much describes me even now.

[HazeK]

In everyone's professional career, there are times to "play the games" and tiime you can be relaxed and more 'yourself'!

Reality!

(That's why Nurses' Lounges, parties by nurses and nursing websites are so much more fun than staff meetings! LOL)

[Roland]

hard to get along with their co-workers. If THAT is what you guys are talking about as constituting "playing the game" then I've got no problems with that perspective. I'm starting to believe that much of this discrimination is in the eye of the beholder. I wonder how many student nurses who feel that they unfairly "got the boot "in reality had other issues that culminated in their failure.

[Dr. Kate, BSN, RN]

Roland, I think you've got that right about other issues. The hard part for the observer is that all you know is what you see and the one side of the story you may hear from the person who feels they were treated unfairly. As in all of life there are at least two sides to the story and the truth is seldom one or the other.

[Q.]

I'm convinced most universities, especially Harvard, Yale, Berkeley (Bezerkley) are Marxist cess-pools anyway.

[l.rae]

Originally posted by Susy K

I'm convinced most universities, especially Harvard, Yale, Berkeley (Bezerkley) are Marxist cess-pools anyway.

Here here suzy!....nd the student l referred to inmy earlier post certainly didn't have other issues, graduated with a 3.89 cumulative and a 4.0 in the nursing program....held down a part time job, was involved in tutoring in some of the sciences and assisted in the micro lab...among several other things. The nursing program virtually ignored her....and she is a non minority conservative.......LR

[Teshiee]

Susy K you have hit the nail on the head. You must play the game. I learned that a few short time with education beats not doing it in the first place. When you graduate you do what you want. Nursing school taught me to play the game not make waves if I disagree I sucked it up because after I received my license I didn't have to deal with certain individuals weren't pc!

[Q.]

Exactly Teshiee.

I always tell people to look at the bigger picture. The point to an education is yes, to get educated, exposed to new ideas, maybe make some influences. But ultimately, you need that passing grade. Chances are, if you learned how to play the game to get that grade, you're pretty intelligent to begin with and probably learned a lot too.

Granted, not all programs are like this; not all classes, etc. But in general, this has been my experience.

[SharonH, RN]

I wouldn't know if you have to be PC or not to get your BSN. I was so busy studying and working hard, I forgot to check and see what everyone else was doing.

[mattsmom81]

Can someone be thrown out of nursing school for not having the 'right' or PC attitude? Well, I think some individual instructors WILL play a power trip if they can, and if they don't like you, for whatever reason, you may not pass IF your grades are iffy.

I made it a point to do extremely well in daily and test grades if my instructor and I weren't hitting it off...for PC or any other reason. It just seems the smart thing to do.

Just as an aside: my hubby and I are both political conservatives and my son learned to question and think about political viewpoints from an early age. Unfortunately, he was constantly being shot down at school when he questioned the liberal democratic attitudes many teachers try to instill in the kids. His liberal minded teachers even told him his parents were 'dumb' when he shared with his class his parents voted Republican, and why we believe what we do.

Now THIS is the kind of PC in education that REALLY pizzes me off....our CHILDREN. When I was in school I distinctly remember being challenged to think...now children seem to be indoctrinated....

Those of you who are parents: BEWARE. :stone

[Flo1216]

I am a senior nursing student. I am also a " white, thin, young, attractive girl, " I feel like I should apologize for that or something. What do looks have to do with anything? I work my ass off, get excellent grades and I am confident that I will make a good nurse. Should I not be taken seriously because I am not overweight or unnattractive or a minority? Something to ponder...