Flo1216

Tell me whatI have said that describes playground antics.

Sunnygirl...are you making a general statement or referring to someone in particular?

What is it that what I am saying lacks validity? I am giving a student's perspective. But I guess the opinions of a student do not matter.

So when I practice I will be mean and nasty to anyone with less experience than myself? They forgot to teach us that in school.

lol:):roll :chuckle

Kids r fun...Maybe YOU need to get over it. I'm fine. If I justify my statements it is because I feel they are misunderstood. Take a chill pill.

Like I said ,the impression I get from Mattsmom's posts is that she is not particularly receptive to students or newcomers. I reacted to the way the post made me feel just as you reacted to the way my post made you feel.

I actually agree with you about the checklist thing. I mean if inserting a foley is on my checklist and I check it off, I wouldn't refuse to do it again just because I checked it off. How else will you become good at something unless you do it over and over? That is a silly concept and I can see where you may get frustrated.

I don't agree with that though, Fab. There is a difference between constructive criticism and the pirannah-like behavior exhibited by some nurses who simply are not receptive to students. I welcome constructive criticism because I know it can only make me a better nurse -what I do not welcome is my future coworkers grumbling and rolling their eyes at the thought of my very existence. In addition to being a minor inconvienience in their day, I am also a person. And I have feelings.

The preceptors in the hospital where I work get paid extra. And they should be. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If someone doesn't feel comfortable precepting somone, however, they should talk it over with their supervisor, not take it out on the student. That is all I am saying.

Hey, you were the one complaining about the students coming from these programs, not me. I was just agreeing with you.

I didn't believe I was resorting to insults. I wasn't the one complaining about the nursing students that come to your hospital.. Also, my school is hospital based. That is, the hospital in which I do my clinical rotation owns my school and the preceptors do get paid exta. And I never suggested that the nurses have to TRAIN me. When I say I am assigned to a nurse, I mean that I share certain pts so they are some things that I may have to communicate with that nurse regarding that patient. But for God's sake, they could be a little nicer. But I guess they should be paid extra for that too. Some of them are just downright nasty. and it is really not necessary.

Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab. I can only speak for my own program. We fill out our own check lists and come up with our own nursing diagnoses. I guess that would annoy me too if I were in your shoes. But what I am talking about is when an instructor introduces me to a staff nurse whom I wll share a patient with and she rolls her eyes and groans, " I have a student today?" I don't think I deserve to be treated that way. I don't think I deserve to be snapped at by a nurse when I tell her the pt is requesting something for pain and he has nothing ordered and students are not allowed to call the doctor. Am I wrong for relaying pt concerns to the nurse if the concern is something I cannot help them with? I don't think so. Like I said, it is tough all over. I am sorry that the nursing students in your area can't seem to think for themselves. Send them over to my school. We have a good program. We just need more instructors!

Hoolahan....how is that nervy? I have read many posts on this issue by Mattsmom and the impression she puts forth is that she is less than accomadating to newcomers and students. Not everyone is a good teacher or not everyone is willing to precept. When I graduate I want to work alongside a preceptor who doesn't resent my being there. I want to learn. In my opinion the best way to learn is to be taught by someone who WANTS to teach. DO you honestly think that we can be taught everything we need to know in nursing school? Of course not. It just seems as though a lot of the experts cannot be bothered with the beginners. However, the experts seem to forget that they were once beginners themselves. We rely on your experience to help mold us into good nurses. Nursing is SUPPOSED to be a team profession and the newcomers cannot be expected to make it on their own, without support from their coworkers. It's sad to me that we live in such a me-oriented society. I wish I could replace the word ME to the word WE. The world would be a much nicer place.:kiss

llg...I like the way you think:)