Fear-mongering in nursing school

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Coming on here just to vent and see if anyone has noticed a similar culture:

I just finished my first semester of BSN nursing school (fundamentals w/ clinical, health assessment, & pharm I) at a private 4-year university. I absolutely love what I am learning and have never been more sure that nursing is my calling.

However, I notice there is a huge culture of fear-mongering among nursing students and professors. Before I actually started the program, students were telling me to be prepared for how hard the classes would be. Even advisors and professors would try to emphasize that nursing school is the hardest thing you would ever do, how it would push you to your limit, how you would have no social life and study all the time, etc. As a pre-nursing student, I was terrified to enter nursing school and what it would hold.

But after a semester...I find that their comments are almost unfounded. The sheer volume of work is a lot but the actual content of what we are learning is--dare I say--easier than my prerequisites. I feel as if nursing students and professors go around saying how hard it is, wearing it as a badge of honor. My friend group feels the same way I do, but among my classmates, all you hear are nursing students complaining about how hard their life is, how nursing school is impossible, how they're being pushed to their limit. I wouldn't say nursing school is "easy" because there is so much time just completing busywork (I.e.- care plans, concept maps) that goes into it...but it certainly isn't rocket science, like there's a reason so many people make it through nursing school vs. how many people make it through medical school. Pharm is the most conceptually heavy and even that just builds off A&P course (my university has very challenging prerequisites so maybe we were just well prepared).

So all of that to say--have any of you experienced a culture of fear-mongering in your nursing school and found it to be completely asinine? I feel as if it's a negative environment that is toxic to morale, and I just don't understand why PROFESSORS continue to propagate it. How do you separate yourself from the negativity? It is hard for someone who is already anxious to hear all this hype that I will be so pushed and so challenged, and having to deal with the constant influx of "LOL yeah good luck" is emotionally draining.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.
1 hour ago, OUxPhys said:

My biggest issue was clinicals. They are outdated. There is absolutely no reason why I have to do ginormous care plans since you do not do that at all when you become a nurse. The lab test outs were also ridiculous. What really needs to happen is the older nurses to retire and to get new young blood in there since the world of nursing has changed dramatically since they were a bedside nurse.

WOW!!. So those of us who are over 45 or so have nothing to contribute to the education of younger nurses? At what age exactly does that happen? How long after being away from bedside should instructors just hang it up?

11 minutes ago, Kitiger said:

Those care plans are a teaching tool. While appropriate for students, they are not necessary for an experienced nurse.

I agree. Bedside nurses still use the theory of care plans. It is locked in their years of experience-gained knowledge. It may not be formal, but that is because it doesn't have to be.

Specializes in Cardiology.
16 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

What an ageist and inflammatory statement! Do you think us "older" nurses stopped our education? I have normally enjoyed your posts but this statement has torpedoed my opinion of you. There are other terms I would rather use but those pesky TOS get in the way. I am stunned and disgusted.

I think it's funny that when younger nurses talk about older nurses in a negative light they get all up in arms yet those very same older nurses have no problem bashing the newer, younger nurses. A bit of a double standard, no?

Anyways, I have no problem with older nurses. In fact I work with a lot of older nurses at my current job and I love every one of them. I am grateful for their experience and knowledge and have no problem asking them for help, but, In terms of nursing school.....yeah, there are a lot of nurses still teaching about "how it was in their day" and not conforming to how nursing is today. It is vastly different. That is my issue. I dont have an issue with older nurses still working. That was not the intent of my post.

16 minutes ago, Kitiger said:

Those care plans are a teaching tool. While appropriate for students, they are not necessary for an experienced nurse.

I'm sure there is a better way to teach in the 21st century. Having students turn in 30-40+ page care plans is absolutely ridiculous.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

30-40 pages? I never had one anywhere near that long. Weird.

I favor care mapping/concept mapping over care planning. It lets the new nurse start to see how one condition impacts another. In any case, old instructors aren't going anywhere. New nurses have no patience for the cut in pay.

Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.

I did not find nursing school to be academically all that challenging. Once I got the hang of the NCLEX style questions, which are training you to think like a nurse, I did not find it that difficult.

I did however, find other things about nursing school very challenging. I found it hard to get along with other nursing students, even though I usually get along with others well. I found clinicals and clinical professors very difficult, as the expectations were always different. I never knew what the nurses on the unit expected from me either.

I was personally challenged by all the self reflection; but this was very good for me.

Nursing professors are nurses, and nurses are both tough and sensitive people. They will try to train you for what you will have to endure in this profession which is likely to be difficult.

I think nursing school is hard. But it is hard for people in different ways. Maybe it will just be easy for you and that is great.

8 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

I think it's funny that when younger nurses talk about older nurses in a negative light they get all up in arms yet those very same older nurses have no problem bashing the newer, younger nurses. A bit of a double standard, no?

I would seriously like to know how you manage to wield that broad brush you are using. Whose double standard are you speaking of because you appear to be implying it's mine. You couldn't be more wrong. Regardless, your statement was vile and I am really disappointed in you.

Specializes in Cardiology.
54 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

I would seriously like to know how you manage to wield that broad brush you are using. Whose double standard are you speaking of because you appear to be implying it's mine. You couldn't be more wrong. Regardless, your statement was vile and I am really disappointed in you.

You are taking this personally and I am not personally attacking you. That was more of a general statement than an attack on you. I'm sorry you disagree with my view on nursing school. I'm not some young nurse who has a problem with older people (it is quite the opposite really. I have a problem more with people my age or younger).

1 hour ago, Nurse SMS said:

30-40 pages? I never had one anywhere near that long. Weird.

I favor care mapping/concept mapping over care planning. It lets the new nurse start to see how one condition impacts another. In any case, old instructors aren't going anywhere. New nurses have no patience for the cut in pay.

Yep. No joke. The average was 30 pages. It was ridiculous. I had heard a rumor toward the end of my time in school that my school was supposedly switching to care mapping.

1 minute ago, OUxPhys said:

I'm sorry you disagree with my view on nursing school.

I don't disagree with you on nursing school. I disagree with you that older nurses should all retire and make room for younger nurses. I find that an appalling viewpoint.

Specializes in Cardiology.
18 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

I don't disagree with you on nursing school. I disagree with you that older nurses should all retire and make room for younger nurses. I find that an appalling viewpoint.

Fair. I may have been too broad with my statement. When I say younger I meant nurses in their 40's-50's. When I said old I meant nurse's in their late 60's/early 70's. I had an instructor well into her late 60's, maybe early 70's who was appalled when we told her c-diff pt's were allowed to walk the halls of the hospital. She was under the assumption that c-diff pt's were confined to their room (I dont know if it was ever like that?). Other lab instructors firmly believed everyone should start on med/surg. You know what, some people can start in the ICU or some dont want med/surg but want to pursue the OR.

And you know what, I shouldn't assume all older instructor's were like the one's I had and for that I apologize. I just think nursing school should make some tweaks to catch up with the times.

10 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

And you know what, I shouldn't assume all older instructor's were like the one's I had and for that I apologize. I just think nursing school should make some tweaks to catch up with the times.

Apology accepted. As a nurse rapidly approaching 60 I want people to know that most of us older nurses do everything we can to stay current. I precept nursing students and feel like I have an advantage as a seasoned, yet up to date, nurse when it comes to providing them a broad perspective and the expertise to back up what I'm teaching. It is truly unfortunate for any student to have to endure someone who is unwilling to learn and grow throughout their entire career no matter how long it is.

I recently graduated from a BSN program. I agree with the opinion that there is an excessive amount of fear-mongering in nursing school. As a 26-year old male with a previous science degree, the level of pettiness, and child-like treatment from professors in our program was astounding. Fortunately, I was not hesitant to stand my ground and speak up for myself and other classmates. Although you are nursing students, you have the right to be treated like young professionals. Fear-mongering and immature behavior from professors should not be tolerated, in my opinion. My advice is to advocate for yourselves. Also, try to keep a distance from drama, and kind of fly under the radar. Just keep your head down and focus on your work and providing the best care for your assigned patients in clinical.

Second and third semesters are really going to test you. I found nursing school to be easier than my peers as well, and graduated Magna Cum Laude, but I too struggled quite a bit during the second and third semesters. Time management is key. My advice in these semesters is to really maximize your time. Something that I noticed, is that those who struggled, seemed to spend a lot of 'study time' on their phone and socializing.

Specializes in School Nursing.

Three classes for the first semester is a pretty light load.. I found fundamentals and pharm to be quite easy... so had I only had assessment along side those two, I'd have considered first semester a breeze too..

If all your cohort are in agreement about the easiness of the coursework, congratulations to you.

9 hours ago, Kitiger said:

Those care plans are a teaching tool. While appropriate for students, they are not necessary for an experienced nurse.

But in fairness, they're something that can be done at home with a simulated patient's chart rather than supplementing our time being glorified slave labor CNAs. I get the point of the care plans, but I agree, clinicals need to go, or be standardized and regulated into TEACHING. I've been a CNA for a couple years, I can handle a 15 patient load. So what am I gaining by managing bathroom and vital signs for 1 or 2 patients in between desk work? Everyone that I've been in groups with that never worked as a CNA were perfectly competent at managing that time by the end of our second semester.

Today's clinicals would be great in CNA programs. But they don't belong in nursing programs after the first semester. From that point on, you're just free labor.

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