Evolution and Nursing

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I just want to see how people feel about evolution on the nursing community. This is no way bashing thread. I just want to see if any people choose not to believe in evolution and be in nursing

MidLifeRN2012 said:
Sigh .... Hell is going to be full.

So many atheists.

I kind of feel like this poster was being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek.

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BrandonLPN said:
I kind of feel like this poster was being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek.

I really wish that was the case. Brandon, you've responded to this poster before (Feb 24th) when s/he posted under a different username.

This is a quote from one of my favorite vloggers and it's aimed at each and everyone who thinks that it's acceptable to tell people who don't share their particular faith, that they will be relentlessly tortured for eternity.

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"It's not whether we believe in Gods but how we treat each other that says the most about our character.

If you attack, condemn or use emotional blackmail on people because they don't share your belief in one or more Gods, you're invited to consider what that says about you and how it squares with the values you claim to embrace."

My wish is that all people could treat each other with tolerance and realize that we all have the right to our own beliefs. What we don't in my opinion have the right to do, is force our own beliefs onto others and say that it's the only acceptable option. It makes no difference if those beliefs are atheist, theist or something else.

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MidLifeRN2012 said:
Sigh .... Hell is going to be full.

So many atheists.

BrandonLPN said:
I kind of feel like this poster was being sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek.

I too thought this was an attempt at humour but after reading what macawake wrote I now believe s/he is serious.

Sigh......:banghead: (again).

I find it ironic that the god of the old testament only made peoples lives miserable until they died but it took the 'loving' god of christianity to introduce the concept of someone who punishes you even after death.

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GrumpyRN said:

I find it ironic that the god of the old testament only made peoples lives miserable until they died but it took the 'loving' god of christianity to introduce the concept of someone who punishes you even after death.

LOL...okay you know I'm a serious Catholic and this made me LMAO.

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GrumpyRN said:

I find it ironic that the god of the old testament only made peoples lives miserable until they died but it took the 'loving' god of christianity to introduce the concept of someone who punishes you even after death.

I find it ironic that the premise of most major religions seems to be "Be good and obedient your whole life and you'll be rewarded after you die"'.... and how so many fail to realize that that's such a blatant tool for maintaining the status quo in favor of the rich at the expense of the poor.

It just seems too convenient that the rich get their reward on earth while the poor get theirs after they're dead.

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I fail to see what any of this has to do with good nursing practice. To say that the theory of evolution is Satanic is laughable if you believe in creationism and have studied your bible and the Jesuit writings you will know that a day to the Lord is like a millennium to man.

All the things that Darwin and others who espouse evolutionary theory postulate occur in the creation story (which is really a very nice story written to the level of understanding of the people of the time.

There is a really good book called Confronting the Controversies that deals with this very subject in a straightforward way.

I myself tend to agree with the "Intelligent Design theory" as I cannot believe that the world as we know it happened by some cosmic accident. That being said it's always best to leave discussions of religion and politics at home.

Peace

Hppy

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BrandonLPN said:
I find it ironic that the premise of most major religions seems to be "Be good and obedient your whole life and you'll be rewarded after you die"'.... and how so many fail to realize that that's such a blatant tool for maintaining the status quo in favor of the rich at the expense of the poor.

It just seems too convenient that the rich get their reward on earth while the poor get theirs after they're dead.

This is what Karl Marx was talking about when he (and others) refer to religion as "the opiate of the masses."

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elkpark said:
This is what Karl Marx was talking about when he (and others) refer to religion as "the opiate of the masses."

And it's just as much a load of crap now as when Marx said it.

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Red Kryptonite said:
And it's just as much a load of crap now as when Marx said it.

In your opinion, that is ... Are you seriously suggesting that organized religion has never been used as a tool to keep poor and working class people tractable and compliant, to encourage them to put up with bad conditions and embrace suffering on earth because they are supposedly going to get some wonderful reward for having done so once they're dead?

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hppygr8ful said:
All the things that Darwin and others who espouse evolutionary theory postulate occur in the creation story (which is really a very nice story written to the level of understanding of the people of the time.

And Darwin put it in language for his time and this has been improved upon by biologists etc. You have heard of DNA?

hppygr8ful said:

There is a really good book called Confronting the Controversies that deals with this very subject in a straightforward way.

There is no controversy, evolution is fact. There is evidence for it. There is NO evidence whatsoever for a creator.

hppygr8ful said:

I myself tend to agree with the "Intelligent Design theory" as I cannot believe that the world as we know it happened by some cosmic accident.

Just because you don't believe something does not mean you get to say "god did it".

"Facts are facts whether you like them or not. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

hppygr8ful said:
That being said it's always best to leave discussions of religion and politics at home.

Peace

Hppy

Very true, Peace to you also and stay well.

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hppygr8ful said:
I fail to see what any of this has to do with good nursing practice. To say that the theory of evolution is Satanic is laughable if you believe in creationism and have studied your bible and the Jesuit writings you will know that a day to the Lord is like a millennium to man.

(Snippety snip)

That being said it's always best to leave discussions of religion and politics at home.

Peace

Hppy

Couldn't agree more on the latter part of your post! I don't go swinging my atheist club in public (except here, which is kinda public). Around here (ETA my provincial little part of the world), it's like letting your freak flag fly and the shocked looks on people's faces is not something I like to be a part of.

There are problems when religious doctrines or dogmas are brought out of the home and into the voter's booth in response to religious doctrines and dogmas being cleverly disguised as new laws for the rest of us to cope with. I've seen it creep in and create drama at work, too. We had a young woman dying of breast cancer, and as these cancers sometimes do, they secrete funny hormones. Her HCG came back at 38,000 after labs were drawn one morning. The oncologist was notified, and he explained to the manager, the charge nurse and the primary nurse (who pulled him aside at separate times, or called him) that it was her tumor burden causing the HCG. Even so, the primary nurse went into a tizzy about starting her weekly salvage chemo treatment because she might damage 'the fetus'. This poor patient had been fighting BC for years, and had extensive chemotherapy regimens under her belt, she wasn't even menstruating any more. But that HCG got a bunch of nurses up in arms. The lab was rechecked, and the HCG was over 50,0000. The oncologist finally threw his hands up and ordered a pelvic ultrasound. No pregnancy. It might sound a little petty, but seriously, folks! How much money was wasted here? She was SINGLE and not sexually active for garsh sakes. This is the same group of gals that refuse to administer methotraxate for ectopic pregnancies, on principle, due to beliefs. And felt entitled to switch patients so they didn't have to be the primary nurse for an elderly gay man (because it was disgusting and immoral).

It IS comin' out of the house and into 'the world'. More and more so, and not just nursing. This thread has examples of public schools being forced to say certain things about evolution being controversial (which it is not) and to teach that there are OTHER equally relevant explanations for life on this planet, like Yahweh, for instance. Why they didn't include Allah or Odin, or Thor or Zeus for the lightning bolts is beyond me. Or any of the indigenous American people's creation myths, or the Hindu creation myths. Why just a certain one that has no more 'scientific evidence' than the Arapahoe creation myth was presented AS SCIENCE is a mind bender as well.

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Believe in both....

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