Elizabeth Warren says doctors, nurses don't treat black women same way as other women

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Is it bash medical professions month and I just didn't realize it?

Don't get me wrong I do believe that prejudice exists but according to Ms. Warren, the only concievable reason for the increased materials deaths in African American women is due to doctors and nurses being prejudice. This is absolutely ludicrous.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-doctors-nurses-black-women.amp

On 5/1/2019 at 3:11 PM, KonichiwaRN said:

Since everyone is missing the point: Allow me to clarify it.

What is Health care?

A patient, waiting in a room..scared, anxious, and a person (Nurse, or a MD, or a CNA, or SW) approaching that patient.

THAT person, is "health care" for the patient. THAT moment, can be the whole of health care for the patient.

What Elizabeth Warren said, is not only disgusting but as I see, plays the rhetoric that there is a evil force here in this nation, that is out to get minorities.

I, as a MINORITY, whose race has been SENT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS in this nation--get that? CONCENTRATION CAMPS, HERE, in the U.S.A..where no other Americans would stick out for us when that happened.

cry foul at such a statement or anyone that thinks there is a higher force here in this nation in the current age that is out to get minorities.

What Elizabeth Warren has done, is lay accusation to us, professionals, that we all practice with prejudice against minorities.

Let me repeat that.

We ALL practice with prejudice against minorities--is what Elizabeth is claiming.

And people are defending her.

Imagine your out rage if someone said that your ancestors didn’t really have it that bad… Because those weren’t technically concentration camps… Instead those were facilities create to cohort your race for safety measures.

imagine how outraged you would feel. That is exactly how Black women likely feel. This racial disparity occurs and people refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE that their treatment is even in fact DIFFERENT than average.

#TalkAboutGaslighting

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On 6/22/2019 at 9:29 AM, subee said:

This "study" made me a little queasy but I'm putting in a link here where someone else expresses her concern about these so-called studies in a more coherent fashion than I can do:

https://record-eagle-cnhi.newsmemory.com/?publink=07962de19

How can one prove racism as a variable without a study group and a control group? How could such a study even be designed? As I have said before on this forum, there are multiple variables besides race that can affect pregnancy outcome. Remove the words black and replace it with impoverished (think of all the variables that come with impoverishment, drug addiction, lack of prenatal care, etc.) How can you control the term "impoverished" in this kind of research? What about the genetics of arriving on this earth from a line of parents who were extremely poor? This research blaming racism as an independent variable looks like swiss cheese to me. Muno, I always enjoy your acumen so you, and anyone else, feel free to fire away. And BTW, the comments on this thread tell me that racism is alive and well.

You can conduct follow up studies where through selection your control and study group have those variables you are asking about in common... so then you can isolate the factor you are studying.

For instance, similar education, similar socioeconomic, similar age etc.

compare apples to apples. While segregating by race.
so both groups women married, college educated, making x amount of money having less than 2 pregnancies, etc... and one group is black and one group is white and you study them.

if they have genetic predisposition or previous medical health histories are excluded

this is not hard for epidemiologists to do...AT ALL.

anx it can be and have been done retrospectively...

it’s called a retrospective case Cohort study.

the question is, if such a study showed disparities... and the only difference was race.... will you accept the results?

or will there remain skepticism that Health disparity along race lines do occur .

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On 11/15/2019 at 8:00 PM, Megarline said:

Some black nurses are prejudice too. You'd think that all blacks aren't prejudice, you're out of your mind. It has nothing to do with being blacks. Some people are prejudice regardless. It is the person which is more common in other groups than the others.

If you see no color but a person, you are likely to be less prejudice.

Last sentence is wrong. Appreciating differences is what is needed to decrease prejudice.

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20 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:
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Last sentence is wrong. Appreciating differences is what is needed to decrease prejudice.

Lessening is good. Not being prejudice is perfect. We're prejudice whether towards others or against our own race. People lie externally; that is a human nature in order to survive.

It would be interesting if each of us place in the "lie detector," to measure who is prejudice or not. I am willing to take it.

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I'm not looking for lie detectors. Leave that to the cops and Maury. I know that we can't be "color blind" as human beings unless we live all our lives in a homogenous society in which no visits by others are made.

I admit freely; I have faults. I have prejudices. I don't need a lie detector to help me realize and understand I have a long way to go to appreciate others' struggles in a country where White Privilege is a real problem.

And yes, seeing a person's color and differences *is* needed to be able to understand. It's not wrong to appreciate differences. Like the song "Free your Mind" says "before you can read me you got to learn how to see me". The line about being color blind, (in the same song) is not as realistic nor something I feel I should strive for.

But first, you have to admit you SEE them.

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On 11/15/2019 at 10:00 PM, Megarline said:

Some black nurses are prejudice too. You'd think that all blacks aren't prejudice, you're out of your mind. It has nothing to do with being blacks. Some people are prejudice regardless. It is the person which is more common in other groups than the others.

If you see no color but a person, you are likely to be less prejudice.

Megarline, people are not "prejudice." People can be prejudiced.

And yes, black people can also be prejudiced. In fact, I think most people are prejudiced to some degree. They might not be prejudiced based on race, but they might hold some kind of bias based on other things.

Some people are biased against women. They automatically make assumptions about individuals simply based on their gender. Others have prejudices based on culture rather than race. Still others might be prejudiced against people who lack a certain amount of formal education. Some may make incorrect assumptions about others for the sole reason that they *are* very educated. Religion (or refusal to buy into religion) plays into the prejudices of many people all over the world.

The point is that most of us, whether we even realize it or not, are prejudiced against others for some reason or another. As human beings, we owe it to ourselves to try to examine our beliefs and look for these implicit biases so that we can correct them and the actions we take based on them.

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From my experience in life when a person states they do not see color of a persons skin they tend to be the more prejudice than others because they are hiding behind that statement. We need to see the differences people have to help us understand those differences. Saying you do not see the color of a persons skin is like saying everyone is like you. This can lead to name calling like being a racist, homophobia, etc. because they do not have the same belief system as yours. Like SmilingBluEyes stated "Appreciating differences is what is needed to decrease prejudice." In a perfect world we would not have to notice a persons race, social status, education in treating everyone the same. Until that time we can all work on our own prejudices in order to give the respect that everyone deserves.

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On 4/29/2019 at 7:05 PM, KonichiwaRN said:

Maybe their personal lifestyle had something to do with it?

Instead of a politician who pushed her career by claiming something about her lineage, is now claiming that Nurses and Doctors are prejudiced against minorities?

This is just the thing. I am now of a healthy weight, low normal BP and HR. I had abdominal pain for months, which stretched into years intermittently. My PCPs refused to offer imaging or diagnostic tests. I am an RN and I know friends and pts who have recvd imaging to rule out major issues such as a bleeding ulcer, gallstones, etc.

my doctor refused to even prescribe analgesia without me signing a pain contact-which I refused! I don’t want that in my medical record. Instead she prescribed 2 meds which can cause prolonged QRS and when I went back to her to request different meds, she prescribed 2 SSRIs, which can cause seratonin syndrome. She has finally, due to my pushing, ordered a GI consult. Wow! 6 yrs of intermittent debilitating pain and I finally get a GI consult which will hopefully lead to an order for an EGD/colonoscopy.

again, as I said, I’m of healthy weight, no DM not HTN. No chronic pain and I’m an RN and this is how I’m treated?! I really feel empathy for my pts.

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13 hours ago, vintagemother said:

This is just the thing. I am now of a healthy weight, low normal BP and HR. I had abdominal pain for months, which stretched into years intermittently. My PCPs refused to offer imaging or diagnostic tests. I am an RN and I know friends and pts who have recvd imaging to rule out major issues such as a bleeding ulcer, gallstones, etc.

my doctor refused to even prescribe analgesia without me signing a pain contact-which I refused! I don’t want that in my medical record. Instead she prescribed 2 meds which can cause prolonged QRS and when I went back to her to request different meds, she prescribed 2 SSRIs, which can cause seratonin syndrome. She has finally, due to my pushing, ordered a GI consult. Wow! 6 yrs of intermittent debilitating pain and I finally get a GI consult which will hopefully lead to an order for an EGD/colonoscopy.

again, as I said, I’m of healthy weight, no DM not HTN. No chronic pain and I’m an RN and this is how I’m treated?! I really feel empathy for my pts.

Why did you stay with this provider/group for 6 years if you were not getting the care you needed? What type of pain meds was she going to RX for you & could it be something that she has all her patients sign if they want narcs.

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On 11/18/2019 at 6:59 AM, Jeckrn1 said:

Saying you do not see the color of a persons skin is like saying everyone is like you.

That's more of a perception or projection.

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16 hours ago, vintagemother said:

This is just the thing. I am now of a healthy weight, low normal BP and HR. I had abdominal pain for months, which stretched into years intermittently. My PCPs refused to offer imaging or diagnostic tests. I am an RN and I know friends and pts who have recvd imaging to rule out major issues such as a bleeding ulcer, gallstones, etc.

my doctor refused to even prescribe analgesia without me signing a pain contact-which I refused! I don’t want that in my medical record. Instead she prescribed 2 meds which can cause prolonged QRS and when I went back to her to request different meds, she prescribed 2 SSRIs, which can cause seratonin syndrome. She has finally, due to my pushing, ordered a GI consult. Wow! 6 yrs of intermittent debilitating pain and I finally get a GI consult which will hopefully lead to an order for an EGD/colonoscopy.

again, as I said, I’m of healthy weight, no DM not HTN. No chronic pain and I’m an RN and this is how I’m treated?! I really feel empathy for my pts.

Waited 6 years? If a physician doesn't treat me right, I leave fast.

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Take the personal out of it for a moment.

What do the statistics say?

In NZ, the evidence shows that Maori have poorer health outcomes than non Maori,.

https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/reducineqal.pdf

The evidence also shows that people living on or below the poverty line are more likely to have poorer health outcomes. If a mum has to choose between getting their prescription filled, or putting food on the table for their kids, they will opt for the latter

I dont want to admit that I could possibly have a bias in how i provide healthcare. I like to hope that I work with every patient to ensure achievement of best possible health outcomes.

The evidence shows that there is a degree of bias in health care ( in at least in my corner of the world) by being aware of that, we can be mindful of that and ensure that it doesnt impact on how we deliver health care to all our patients

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