Elephant in the China Shop

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The Elephant in the China Shop

Everybody knows he's there but everybody wants to ignore it.

I'd like to raise an issue all of us are aware of but almost nobody appears comfortable enough to want to talk about.

How do things go when you need to do intimate procedures on a patient of the opposite sex? How do you feel about it and how does the patient feel?

Most of us are female. Let's say you have a male patient on whom you have to place a Foley (or a straight cath). Or you are to administer an enema.

I've had many off-the-cuff talks with colleagues and the reaction is all over the map. Some enjoy the intimacy; some are very uncomfortable. Providers at both extremes may try to cover up their feelings by one means or another. All of us are conditioned from childhood to maintain our own body modesty and it's difficult to violate somebody else's as a matter of routine, if we have any empathy with the patient. (And if we don't have much empathy, why are we nurses??)

And what about the patient? Male or female, most of them do not know they can refuse procedures that make them feel uncomfortable. If they did, I wonder if most of them would, just to avoid embarrassment. If you're female do you tell the male patient he's free to refuse this enema or that catheter? Or that he can choose a male administrator? Or do you charge right in with the enema tube or Foley as if they have no power to refuse? Male patients are very fragile in a way. Their macho makes them feel they need to be in control and they feel so put down if they're shown to be powerless that it's toxic. Especially if they are put through procedures that make it very clear women are in complete charge of their bodies. They've been brought up to think things should go the other way around. And they're too embarrassed to complain about being embarrassed.

I'm trying to put this subject on the table so we can talk about it among ourselves, maybe find better ways of dealing with it and hopefully allow us and the patient to feel more comfortable. I didn't even bring up how you may feel if you're a female patient about to receive an intimate procedure from a male nurse, but there should be similarities.

An unscientific summary after years of observation and talk might go like this, for patients of one sex receiving intimate procedure from nurses of the opposite sex:

  1. Some patients are super-embarrassed, extremely uncomfortable. They may feel invaded and take away psychic damage.
  2. Some are exhibitionistic and enjoy the exposure, glad for a context in which it can occur where nobody can charge they are perverted for seeking (or enjoying) it.
  3. And everything inbetween those extremes. Very few are indifferent or treat it with the psychological neutrality one would a dental procedure, which also is invasive.

And for the nurses:

  1. Some are embarrassed and may cover by coming on with cheery professionalism;
  2. Some enjoy the access and cover by the same (or a different) route.
  3. Not many are indifferent, probably more nurses than patients since we do these things far more often than they encounter them. But it's been said you might as well try to be indifferent toward sex.

A related question is what do you do if your opposite-sex patient, in response to unavoidable genital exposure or touching (as for a catheter), shows signs of sexual excitement. I've heard about all sorts of reactions, from ignore it” (usually easier to do with a female patient) to making remarks to defuse the situation.

In the case of a male patient with a full erection:

  1. ‘Well, I'm so glad you're enjoying the examination/ procedure!”
  2. If you can't get that to come down quickly, it may be painful when I work the catheter into place.”
  3. Let's try this bucket of ice water I just happen to have here.”

Sometimes men get erections just because they're embarrassed.

Also, a male patient may be embarrassed because his erection may be the result of the stimulation of his sphincter due to enema prep. He may be concerned about being considered gay and may need reassurance this also happens to straight men.

I'm posting this here to try to shine some light on an issue usually swept into a dark corner because people are uncomfortable with it. What are your thoughts? Have you found good ways to deal with the subject, whether as nurse or patient, that may help us to know about?

Talk to us.

--hcworker

It's just the human body. No big deal. As an echocardiographer I've been performing arguably intimate procedures on ladies for 16 years. It hasn't been anything special for a long long time. I'm so comfortable now, I can even put the anxious patients at ease.

We are adult professionals. Things such as this topic should not be an issue.

I completely agree with you. I also don't consider these intimate procedures I consider them medical procedures. Definitely never encountered a man getting an erection during Foley insertion and have done several. Think you are reading way too far into this.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
In my experience any patient who needs a foley dosent care if male or female nurse does the procedure. The relief from having a full bladder emptied is the only thing he cares about. Same with one who might need a 3 H enema .

Yeah, when your bladder is full to the point of bursting, you'll let Edward Scissorhands put that foley in.

Good grief, the weird personalities amongst us.

Specializes in MDS/ UR.
The Elephant in the China Shop

. All of us are conditioned from childhood to maintain our own body modesty and it's difficult to violate somebody else's as a matter of routine, if we have any empathy with the patient. (And if we don't have much empathy, why are we nurses??)

Talk to us.

--hcworker

I stopped right here. I , as a nurse, am not violating anyone doing my job.

Really, I think your verbiage is the elephant in the room for how you are presenting the topic.

We're nurses not perverts or sadists.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
OP joined yesterday and this sounds suspiciously like a writing assignment.

Doesnt it sound more like that guy from Great Britain who works at a boarding school, and whose charges just came back from a debauchery filled trip to France or something?

Specializes in Hospice.
Doesnt it sound more like that guy from Great Britain who works at a boarding school, and whose charges just came back from a debauchery filled trip to France or something?

There's been some speculation that this might be He Who Must Not Be Named.

I really kind of hope it is. Scary thinking there's more than one of him out there lol. 😱

What kind of writing assignment makes an assumption that female nurses are getting their jollies out of humiliating poor male patients who get erections during the process of getting a foley catheter or an enema? And adds in little tidbits about guys getting erections during an enema needing the nurse's reassurances that they aren't gay? Doesn't even remotely resemble any kind of assignment I was ever given.

This whole OP sounds straight out of a past poster's repertoire.

Specializes in Home Care Mgmt, Med-Surg.

I feel like this says A LOT about the poster and NOTHING about nurses :sarcastic:

Specializes in nursing education.

Do I like putting in Foleys? YES.

finding an elusive urethra, navigating a prostate, relieving urinary retention, yes, yes and yes.

Do I find this sexy in any possible way?

HEAVENS NO!!!!

The Elephant in the China Shop

Everybody knows he's there but everybody wants to ignore it.

I'd like to raise an issue all of us are aware of but almost nobody appears comfortable enough to want to talk about.

How do things go when you need to do intimate procedures on a patient of the opposite sex? How do you feel about it and how does the patient feel?

Most of us are female. Let's say you have a male patient on whom you have to place a Foley (or a straight cath). Or you are to administer an enema.

I've had many off-the-cuff talks with colleagues and the reaction is all over the map. Some enjoy the intimacy; some are very uncomfortable. Providers at both extremes may try to cover up their feelings by one means or another. All of us are conditioned from childhood to maintain our own body modesty and it's difficult to violate somebody else's as a matter of routine, if we have any empathy with the patient. (And if we don't have much empathy, why are we nurses??)

And what about the patient? Male or female, most of them do not know they can refuse procedures that make them feel uncomfortable. If they did, I wonder if most of them would, just to avoid embarrassment. If you're female do you tell the male patient he's free to refuse this enema or that catheter? Or that he can choose a male administrator? Or do you charge right in with the enema tube or Foley as if they have no power to refuse? Male patients are very fragile in a way. Their macho makes them feel they need to be in control and they feel so put down if they're shown to be powerless that it's toxic. Especially if they are put through procedures that make it very clear women are in complete charge of their bodies. They've been brought up to think things should go the other way around. And they're too embarrassed to complain about being embarrassed.

I'm trying to put this subject on the table so we can talk about it among ourselves, maybe find better ways of dealing with it and hopefully allow us and the patient to feel more comfortable. I didn't even bring up how you may feel if you're a female patient about to receive an intimate procedure from a male nurse, but there should be similarities.

An unscientific summary after years of observation and talk might go like this, for patients of one sex receiving intimate procedure from nurses of the opposite sex:

  1. Some patients are super-embarrassed, extremely uncomfortable. They may feel invaded and take away psychic damage.
  2. Some are exhibitionistic and enjoy the exposure, glad for a context in which it can occur where nobody can charge they are perverted for seeking (or enjoying) it.
  3. And everything inbetween those extremes. Very few are indifferent or treat it with the psychological neutrality one would a dental procedure, which also is invasive.

And for the nurses:

  1. Some are embarrassed and may cover by coming on with cheery professionalism;
  2. Some enjoy the access and cover by the same (or a different) route.
  3. Not many are indifferent, probably more nurses than patients since we do these things far more often than they encounter them. But it's been said you might as well try to be indifferent toward sex.

A related question is what do you do if your opposite-sex patient, in response to unavoidable genital exposure or touching (as for a catheter), shows signs of sexual excitement. I've heard about all sorts of reactions, from ignore it” (usually easier to do with a female patient) to making remarks to defuse the situation.

In the case of a male patient with a full erection:

  1. ‘Well, I'm so glad you're enjoying the examination/ procedure!”
  2. If you can't get that to come down quickly, it may be painful when I work the catheter into place.”
  3. Let's try this bucket of ice water I just happen to have here.”

Sometimes men get erections just because they're embarrassed.

Also, a male patient may be embarrassed because his erection may be the result of the stimulation of his sphincter due to enema prep. He may be concerned about being considered gay and may need reassurance this also happens to straight men.

I'm posting this here to try to shine some light on an issue usually swept into a dark corner because people are uncomfortable with it. What are your thoughts? Have you found good ways to deal with the subject, whether as nurse or patient, that may help us to know about?

Talk to us.

--hcworker

Is this for real? It sounds like some cheesy Sally Jessy premise.

OP, go get your jollies on a Media site, like everyone else who comes here to stir the pot on this particular topic.

This post is just weird and sick.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

Our responses are moot since op hasn't been (and probably won't be) back

For some reason I'm highly suspicious of this post.....just sayin....

mc3

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