The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it.
The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed.
Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.
Okay ? look up covid particle size for me. 0.06 to 0.1 last time I checked. N95 filters down to 0.3. Surgical mask doesn’t even come close. Yes, will stop some secretions. Hope you’re wearing at least six around town.
Feel free to cite reputable studies on surgical masks and 6’ distancing btw
From the moment you mentioned respiratory distress and got that wrong, I knew that you weren't a nurse. So I can forgive that.
However you were in Iraq and Afghanistan and you are obviously intelligent enough to have hypotheses re why you were there, but then you also got those wrong. Almost as if you were selecting information to frame your argument. You was there, I wasn't. Shouldn't you at least have a semblance of an idea why they are sending you somewhere you could be killed?
You seem anti govt as I am except I don't take govt money and I understand the purpose of govt. You seem to have a broad idea of things but little reference as to why and then you obviously seek information from right wing sources which as long as they give you relevant information, I don't care. Mate, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!
I know absolutely bugger all about rifles but I am very good at physics. Many moving parts to a rifle to make it work well. A simple thing as a grain of sand might foul the workings. Therefore, don't you check it out thoroughly before you take it out for a jaunt? Why can't you do the same to your information sources and also the people you associate with who may be influencing your information?
Or, simply only use reputable sources to get that information! Shouldn't you at least pause knowing full well that you totally got how masks works, wrong?
The reason I'm saying this is because you allowed your kids to get covid and the potential for long term detrimental effects are quite possible. I honestly hope you don't feel that way about vaccines in general? This isn't about you. It's about their futures!
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
2 hours ago, HRoark64 said:
A pt in respiratory isolation is likely there for a reason, right? Some illness, injury, condition warranting isolation, unlike the average person walking around outside. Yes, if we all isolated to a box until the end of time we could defeat Covid with a perfect score. The idea is that the fix shouldn’t cause more fallout than the problem. Let’s revisit the long term effects of economic displacement, missed screenings, overdoses, and suicides in a year or so and see if isolation and shutting the country down was a good move.
Masks work great for keeping secretions out of open surgical wounds and blood splatter/tissue/bone from ending up in the team’s nose or mouth. I don’t walk around with open wounds that welcome foreign invaders, nor do I regularly cut/saw/pry people open...and I think everyone outside of the OR is pretty similar. Soooo masks in the surgical suite are a good idea. 99.9______% of society doesn’t hang out there.
How did you miss that the reason for the average person person to mask now is a deadly pandemic? I would argue that the "fix" didn't cause anymore economic fallout than the social conservative refusal to mitigate and the fiscal conservative focus on austerity during a public health crisis. Let's revisit the strategy of lying about the virus, assigning covid leadership roles to liars, grifters and quacks. We don't need to wait a year or so for that. We know that at least a couple hundred thousand deaths might have been prevented with only a cursory examination of the failed covid policy of the last administration.
You don't understand the analogy.
Why do you discount the presence of a deadly pathogen circulating in the environment in all of your consideration? Why do you minimize the costs of a pandemic with a pathogen which is more contagious and has higher morbidity and mortality than influenza?
Published in a journal of questionable reliability "Medical Hypotheses" , not a branch of NIH. A single author, who is an exercise physiologist, spouting many debunked theories.
I'll keep wearing my mask. I haven't died of hypoxia/hypercapnea yet.
"...given the fact that facemasks restrict breathing, causing hypoxemia and hypercapnia and increase the risk for respiratory complications, self-contamination and exacerbation of existing chronic conditions..."
What complete and utter tosh. I have never read such cr*p in a supposed scientific article ever.
"I cannot do this operation because I can't breath," said no surgeon ever.
If you believe this nonsense you do not belong on this site.
Here are some more nuanced articles.
"We have cross-checked all the latest research on the use of face masks during the pandemic.
We recommend using face masks when you are in a confined or crowded public space, you are vulnerable to severe COVID-19, or you have a sick person in your household.
Face masks will be most effective if you also follow physical distancing, proper hand hygiene and good ventilation practices."
"Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes. Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus."
The UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) is considering this. In a recent paper that focused on physical distancing and face coverings in light of the UK variant B.1.1.7, SAGE said “using face coverings in a wider range of settings where people could be asymptomatic and may be in close proximity (less than 2 m)” should now be considered."
"...given the fact that facemasks restrict breathing, causing hypoxemia and hypercapnia and increase the risk for respiratory complications, self-contamination and exacerbation of existing chronic conditions..."
What complete and utter tosh. I have never read such cr*p in a supposed scientific article ever.
"I cannot do this operation because I can't breath," said no surgeon ever.
If you believe this nonsense you do not belong on this site.
Here are some more nuanced articles.
"We have cross-checked all the latest research on the use of face masks during the pandemic.
We recommend using face masks when you are in a confined or crowded public space, you are vulnerable to severe COVID-19, or you have a sick person in your household.
Face masks will be most effective if you also follow physical distancing, proper hand hygiene and good ventilation practices."
"Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes. Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus."
The UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) is considering this. In a recent paper that focused on physical distancing and face coverings in light of the UK variant B.1.1.7, SAGE said “using face coverings in a wider range of settings where people could be asymptomatic and may be in close proximity (less than 2 m)” should now be considered."
I believe it ????, grouchy old bugger ??no one like Victor, that's for sure! Maybe Arkwright from Open all Hours?
Parents have all the vids of all the shows from Last of the Summer to Morcombe and Wise. We grew up on those vids. Even Play your cards right with Bruce and Les Dawson. Bet I'm bringing back memories for you?
at present, there is nodirect evidence (from studies on COVID-19) on the effectiveness facemasking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection ofrespiratory viruses, including COVID-19
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[2]. Despite these contro-versies, the potential harms and risks of wearing facemasks were clearlyacknowledged. These including self-contamination due to hand practiceor non-replaced when the mask is wet, soiled or damaged, developmentof facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne and psy-chological discomfort. Vulnerable populations such as people withmental health disorders, developmental disabilities, hearing problems,those living in hot and humid environments, children and patients withrespiratory conditions are at signicant health risk for complicationsand harm[2].
Physiological effects of wearing facemasks
Wearing facemask mechanically restricts breathing by increasing theresistance of air movement during both inhalation and exhalation pro-cess[12,13]. Although, intermittent (several times a week) and repeti-tive (10
–
15 breaths for 2
–
4 sets) increase in respiration resistance maybe adaptive for strengthening respiratory muscles[33,34], prolongedand continues effect of wearing facemask is maladaptive and could bedetrimental for health[11
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13]. In normal conditions at the sea level, aircontains 20.93% O
2
and 0.03% CO
2
, providing partial pressures of 100mmHg and 40 mmHg for these gases in the arterial blood, respectively.These gas concentrations signicantly altered when breathing occursthrough facemask. A trapped air remaining between the mouth, noseand the facemask is rebreathed repeatedly in and out of the body, con-taining low O
13,35,36]. Severe hypoxemia may also provoke car-diopulmonary and neurological complications and is considered animportant clinical sign in cardiopulmonary medicine[37
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42]. Low ox-ygen content in the arterial blood can cause myocardial ischemia,serious arrhythmias, right or left ventricular dysfunction, dizziness,hypotension, syncope and pulmonary hypertension[43]. Chronic low-grade hypoxemia and hypercapnia as result of using facemask cancause exacerbation of existing cardiopulmonary, metabolic, vascularand neurological conditions[37
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42].Table 1summarizes the physio-logical, psychological effects of wearing facemask and their potentiallong-term consequences for health.In addition to hypoxia and hypercapnia, breathing through facemaskresidues bacterial and germs components on the inner and outside layerof the facemask. These toxic components are repeatedly rebreathed backinto the body, causing self-contamination. Breathing through facemasksalso increases temperature and humidity in the space between themouth and the mask, resulting a release of toxic particles from themask
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s materials[1,2,19,26,35,36]. A systematic literature reviewestimated that aerosol contamination levels of facemasks including 13 to202,549 different viruses[1]. Rebreathing contaminated air with highbacterial and toxic particle concentrations along with low O
2
and highCO
2
levels continuously challenge the body homeostasis, causing self-toxicity and immunosuppression[1,2,19,26,35,36].A study on 39 patients with renal disease found that wearing N95facemask during hemodialysis signicantly reduced arterial partial ox-ygen pressure (from PaO
2
101.7 to 92.7 mm Hg), increased respiratoryrate (from 16.8 to 18.8 breaths/min), and increased the occurrence ofchest discomfort and respiratory distress[35]. Respiratory ProtectionStandards from Occupational Safety and Health Administration, USDepartment of Labor states that breathing air with O
2
concentrationbelow 19.5% is considered oxygen-deciency, causing physiological andhealth adverse effects. These include increased breathing frequency,accelerated heartrate and cognitive impairments related to thinking andcoordination[36]. A chronic state of mild hypoxia and hypercapnia hasbeen shown as primarily mechanism for developing cognitive dysfunc-tion based on animal studies and studies in patients with chronicobstructive pulmonary disease[44].The adverse physiological effects were conrmed in a study of 53surgeons where surgical facemask were used during a major operation.After 60 min of facemask wearing the oxygen saturation dropped bymore than 1% and heart rate increased by approximately ve beats/min[45]. Another study among 158 health-care workers using protectivepersonal equipment primarily N95 facemasks reported that 81% (128workers) developed new headaches during their work shifts as thesebecome mandatory due to COVID-19 outbreak. For those who used theN95 facemask greater than 4 h per day, the likelihood for developing aheadache during the work shift was approximately four times higher[Odds ratio
=
3.91, 95% CI (1.35
–
11.31) p
=
0.012], while 82.2% of theN95 wearers developed the headache already within
≤
10 to 50 min[46].With respect to cloth facemask, a RCT using four weeks follow upcompared the effect of cloth facemask to medical masks and to no maskson the incidence of clinical respiratory illness, inuenza-like illness andlaboratory-conrmed respiratory virus infections among 1607 partici-pants from 14 hospitals[19]. The results showed that there were nodifference between wearing cloth masks, medical masks and no masksfor incidence of clinical respiratory illness and laboratory-conrmedrespiratory virus infections. However, a large harmful effect withmore than 13 times higher risk [Relative Risk
=
13.25 95% CI (1.74 to100.97) was observed for inuenza-like illness among those who werewearing cloth masks[19].
This "study" has nothing to do with the NIH and is filled with bullcrap. As someone who wore masks all day-every day at work (even for 24 hour shifts), I never became hypercapneic, hypoxic or developed a mask headache. I never became depressed or socially isolated because other colleagues were wearing masks. We didn't re-use masks on different cases and we changed wet masks (downright uncomfortable) so subjects wearing masks in this condition shouldn't even be mentioned. Where do you come up with these studies that are so obviously flawed that they are comically awful? Please just eliminate studies with .com attached to them and stick to Google Scholar. Do you even know about Google Scholar?
Most people, regardless of age or education (except medical degrees), have no knowledge of science or medicine, in general, or even what science is. This widespread ignorance leads to stupid conspiracy theories and unjustified fear. Movies and books and internet are both a cause and effect. When I taught college I discovered this all the time, grown adults and kids. Not only medicine--everything. People don't even know that science is based on observations. It is not taught much and they are suspicious of scientific claims.This ignorance does not faze them at all. Also, doctors are not always right and research is sometimes misguided or useless. Current medicine will be outdated 25 years from now or sooner, yes ?
Don’t bother. Anything not cr**ped down their throats by a media conglomerate won’t count as science. Rumble, ***ute, Odysee, or any other decentralized platform definitely won’t cut the mustard.
This article just refers the reader back to the Life Site original article after calling the physician in question an "exceedingly qualified" physician. Who is Rumble to decide if anyone is exceedingly qualified. Could you just give me the facts and let the reader decide? Again, I don't take my science news from .com websites that don't abide by journalistic codes.
Most people, regardless of age or education (except medical degrees), have no knowledge of science or medicine, in general, or even what science is. This widespread ignorance leads to stupid conspiracy theories and unjustified fear. Movies and books and internet are both a cause and effect. When I taught college I discovered this all the time, grown adults and kids. Not only medicine--everything. People don't even know that science is based on observations. It is not taught much and they are suspicious of scientific claims.This ignorance does not faze them at all. Also, doctors are not always right and research is sometimes misguided or useless. Current medicine will be outdated 25 years from now or sooner, yes ?
If people were just trained to be skeptical of EVERYTHING, would they become better readers? Perhaps we should frame everything we teach youngsters to be evaluated in that framework. And yes, we need to learn how to use a retroscope:)
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From the moment you mentioned respiratory distress and got that wrong, I knew that you weren't a nurse. So I can forgive that.
However you were in Iraq and Afghanistan and you are obviously intelligent enough to have hypotheses re why you were there, but then you also got those wrong. Almost as if you were selecting information to frame your argument. You was there, I wasn't. Shouldn't you at least have a semblance of an idea why they are sending you somewhere you could be killed?
You seem anti govt as I am except I don't take govt money and I understand the purpose of govt. You seem to have a broad idea of things but little reference as to why and then you obviously seek information from right wing sources which as long as they give you relevant information, I don't care. Mate, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!
I know absolutely bugger all about rifles but I am very good at physics. Many moving parts to a rifle to make it work well. A simple thing as a grain of sand might foul the workings. Therefore, don't you check it out thoroughly before you take it out for a jaunt? Why can't you do the same to your information sources and also the people you associate with who may be influencing your information?
Or, simply only use reputable sources to get that information! Shouldn't you at least pause knowing full well that you totally got how masks works, wrong?
The reason I'm saying this is because you allowed your kids to get covid and the potential for long term detrimental effects are quite possible. I honestly hope you don't feel that way about vaccines in general? This isn't about you. It's about their futures!