Does the shot mess with your DNA?

[Floor_Nurse]

The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

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I wonder if all of those 3 million plus people who have died and the current fiasco in India, Brazil and Russia and very possibly us, when the next wave hits because of anti vaxxers, were wondering when they were deathly ill, if the vaccines were going to mess with their DNA? 

I've got a good feeling that when people are gasping for their next breath they would likely eat *** if it was offered to them as a relief or cure! 

That's when you ask them about whether they are worried about whether the vaccine is going to alter their DNA! 

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On 4/19/2021 at 4:24 PM, HRoark64 said:

Wrong on many counts...way to continue the red/blue dialectic that keeps any meaningful debate from happening.  I haven't heard from a single conservative representative or senator lately telling me not to get the vaccine.  Most of what I've heard is a lot of pushback against lockdown and mask policies that make zero sense and can't even pass anecdotal/common sense tests, let alone an actual study.  BTW - don't take that to mean I'm on that side of the aisle.  I spent six years in OIF/OEF observing America from the outside and seeing how the political systems we install to control other populations were perfected in our country first.  Break up with two party tyranny as soon as you can.

Tell me something...why do the states with the most draconian measures have the same or worse infection & mortality rates as the states without them?  How about the countries that didn't enact such measures?  Why hasn't the entire homeless population died from this yet??  They don't wear masks, social distance, or even bathe regularly.  Weird.

Too right, Mate! Weird! Maybe Brazil and India or even Mexico didn't hear about your theory or subscribed to a similar version because they are doing so well! 

On 4/19/2021 at 4:24 PM, HRoark64 said:

Not a forum for gun blathering either.  A person who shoots someone without provocation/justification is called a 'criminal.' 

 

* You sure about that? How about if you did it on 5th or Madison? Or maybe shoot a 13 year old? 

 

Gun legislation only keeps law abiding citizens from buying/possessing guns - criminals don't typically care about laws...hence their criminal nature.  I expect nothing less of Democrats though, being the party of the Klan, to keep the gun control push alive and well since its original aim was to remove firearms from black communities in the civil rights era.

 

I suggest you relocate to the era of the klan since you seem more likely to appreciate that period. Less regulations and woke people. More misogyny and white man rules. More appropriation with much less consequences. I mean the Klan has always been such a socialist cause so very liberal and welcoming, they surely can only be Democrats! Right? 

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On 4/19/2021 at 4:26 PM, HRoark64 said:

It might, it might not.  The one thing about them that's guaranteed to work is continued pharmaceutical corporation welfare on the backs of taxpayers for a virus that won't kill 99.7% of the population.  Good nutrition, exercise, regular sunlight, vitamin supplementation when there's a shortfall...all easy exit ramps.  The pandemic in this country is that the majority now believes in the benevolence of the state and waits on its marching orders.

What about injecting bleach and waiting for Summer because apparently American summers are quite different from the other sunny areas of the world? 

Also since you don't need the state or govt, can you tell me where you got your flying vehicle since you obviously don't need the govts roads and also what brand of generator you use since you don't need the electricity and how can we get out of paying taxes because I know you don't pay any, since you don't use anything govt related! 

I also hope no offense intended, that you don't send your unvaccinated kids to school because they might be contaminated by the vaccinated fools. 

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33 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

What about injecting bleach and waiting for Summer because apparently American summers are quite different from the other sunny areas of the world? 

Also since you don't need the state or govt, can you tell me where you got your flying vehicle since you obviously don't need the govts roads and also what brand of generator you use since you don't need the electricity and how can we get out of paying taxes because I know you don't pay any, since you don't use anything govt related! 

I also hope no offense intended, that you don't send your unvaccinated kids to school because they might be contaminated by the vaccinated fools. 

Without a doubt the lamest comment I've gotten on here.  My kids exercise, eat well, get plenty of sun.  They both had covid last year before vaccines were available...so did I.  We all recovered just fine!

I got my flying vehicle, fuel for it, pay, and benefits from the government, courtesy of taxpayers.  Hindsight being 20/20, I now realize that invading Iraq was a reaction to Saddam attempting to sell his oil for Euros instead of US dollars.  If you don't understand that, look up 'Kissinger petrodollar deal' and get back to me.  Then there's Afghanistan - home of the most abundant poppy fields in the world.  The Taliban (also a creation of our benevolent state during the Soviet occupation) banned poppy growth because they didn't want their country's main source of income to come from the base product of opioids.  Enter: benevolent US govt in 2001 to fight the Taliban for 'harboring Osama.'  Also a rue.  What do we have now?  Opioid epidemic in America and pharma flush with cash flow because their inputs were so cheap while I chased brown guys into caves so the farmers could do their thing.

So no WMD's like our government said and the Taliban (AKA full time residents of Afghanistan) for all their flaws had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with restricting the growth of a sought after commodity.  

The siren song of a scam is a pitch that can't be disproven.  Did all the measures taken after 9/11 make us safer?  No terrorist attacks = the measures worked...but continued attacks = we need more measures.  Did the war on poverty work?  Less poverty = it worked....more poverty = we need to intervene on a larger scale.  Did the war on drugs work?  Less drugs = it worked...more drugs = we need to intervene more.  Get it yet?  So when we get a 'third wave' which will be nothing more than modifying the test threshold again, the obvious move will be 'we need more ____.'  This is the circular logic of totalitarian states. 

How about this - if lockdowns worked, why would we do them again?  If they didn't work, why would we do them again?  If masks worked, why are we still wearing them?  If they didn't work, why are we still wearing them?

Ah, and the dumba** tax comment.  Even when I don't pay any, I still do...as do you.  It's called money printing by the Federal Reserve that inflates the currency supply and deflates the buying power of your wages.  They started in 2000 during the .com crash, again in 2008 for the housing crash, all in an effort to restore balance to markets.  What's happened since then?  Greater and greater wealth disparity - ref. the war on poverty they were supposed to win for you.  The fix?  Printing even more money!!  Your benevolent govt hard at work for you with circular, irrefutable logic.  

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40 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

How about this - if lockdowns worked, why would we do them again?  If they didn't work, why would we do them again?  If masks worked, why are we still wearing them?  If they didn't work, why are we still wearing them?

If you place a patient in respiratory isolation and 25% of the health workers who interact with the patient completely flaunt the isolation protocol would you expect the isolation to achieve the desired goals? Why or why not?

Do masks work in any environment, in your opinion? What is the purpose of masking in the surgical suite, in your opinion?

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1 hour ago, HRoark64 said:

Without a doubt the lamest comment I've gotten on here.  My kids exercise, eat well, get plenty of sun.  They both had covid last year before vaccines were available...so did I.  We all recovered just fine!

And what if they didn't? You were able to predict the outcome? If so, any chance of some lottery ticket numbers? 

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I got my flying vehicle, fuel for it, pay, and benefits from the government, courtesy of taxpayers. 

 

* couldn't come up with some bone spurs excuse? Or too eager to collect a tax free govt check and kill some brown people in the meantime? 

 

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Hindsight being 20/20, I now realize that invading Iraq was a reaction to Saddam attempting to sell his oil for Euros instead of US dollars.  If you don't understand that, look up 'Kissinger petrodollar deal' and get back to me. 

 

* wait a sec here, you quoting Nixon's Kissinger as the premise for the Iraqi invasion? I might suggest, Haliburton, Cheney might have had an involvement or possibly the Saudis and Israel not being comfy with Saddam's increased militancy as the actual reasons. 

 

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Then there's Afghanistan - home of the most abundant poppy fields in the world.  The Taliban (also a creation of our benevolent state during the Soviet occupation) banned poppy growth because they didn't want their country's main source of income to come from the base product of opioids.  Enter: benevolent US govt in 2001 to fight the Taliban for 'harboring Osama.'  Also a rue.  What do we have now?

 

* so the Taliban whose main source of income is heroin, decided to transition into selling sand to the Chinese because osmotic intelligence suddenly appeared and turned them into commerce gurus overnight because they certainly don't have anything else to sell? Amazing theory! From stone age to international finance geniuses overnight! 

 

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  Opioid epidemic in America and pharma flush with cash flow because their inputs were so cheap while I chased brown guys into caves so the farmers could do their thing.

And you couldn't even come up bone spurs to get out of something you so disagreed with. Such a genius?

 

 

 

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So no WMD's like our government said and the Taliban (AKA full time residents of Afghanistan) for all their flaws had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with restricting the growth of a sought after commodity.  

The siren song of a scam is a pitch that can't be disproven. 

 

* somewhat like yours, you mean?

 

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Did all the measures taken after 9/11 make us safer?  No terrorist attacks = the measures worked...but continued attacks = we need more measures.  Did the war on poverty work?  Less poverty = it worked....more poverty = we need to intervene on a larger scale.  Did the war on drugs work?  Less drugs = it worked...more drugs = we need to intervene more.  Get it yet?

 

* get what? That you are spouting claptrap?

 

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So when we get a 'third wave' which will be nothing more than modifying the test threshold again, the obvious move will be 'we need more ____.'  This is the circular logic of totalitarian states. 

How about this - if lockdowns worked, why would we do them again?  If they didn't work, why would we do them again?  If masks worked, why are we still wearing them?  If they didn't work, why are we still wearing them?

I suggest since you were so unable to get out of the Iraq, Afghanistan wars I would leave the thinking to someone else and you continue to ingest as much vitamins and sunshine as you can while not social distancing or wearing masks. I assume your kids are home schooled? 

 

 

 

 

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Ah, and the dumba** tax comment.  Even when I don't pay any, I still do...as do you.  It's called money printing by the Federal Reserve that inflates the currency supply and deflates the buying power of your wages.  They started in 2000 during the .com crash, again in 2008 for the housing crash, all in an effort to restore balance to markets. 

 

* Right because the whole world revolves around American responses. Man you must have gone down a treat to the British and Scandanavian forces. Such brilliant deductions! 

 

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What's happened since then?  Greater and greater wealth disparity - ref. the war on poverty they were supposed to win for you.  The fix?  Printing even more money!!  Your benevolent govt hard at work for you with circular, irrefutable logic. 

 

With your logic, most definitely circular. Rim job circular! 

 

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28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

If you place a patient in respiratory isolation and 25% of the health workers who interact with the patient completely flaunt the isolation protocol would you expect the isolation to achieve the desired goals? Why or why not?

Do masks work in any environment, in your opinion? What is the purpose of masking in the surgical suite, in your opinion?

A pt in respiratory isolation is likely there for a reason, right? Some illness, injury, condition warranting isolation, unlike the average person walking around outside. Yes, if we all isolated to a box until the end of time we could defeat Covid with a perfect score. The idea is that the fix shouldn’t cause more fallout than the problem. Let’s revisit the long term effects of economic displacement, missed screenings, overdoses, and suicides in a year or so and see if isolation and shutting the country down was a good move. 
 

Masks work great for keeping secretions out of open surgical wounds and blood splatter/tissue/bone from ending up in the team’s nose or mouth. I don’t walk around with open wounds that welcome foreign invaders, nor do I regularly cut/saw/pry people open...and I think everyone outside of the OR is pretty similar. Soooo masks in the surgical suite are a good idea. 99.9______% of society doesn’t hang out there. 

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9 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

A pt in respiratory isolation is likely there for a reason, right? Some illness, injury, condition warranting isolation, unlike the average person walking around outside.

 

* no! They have a compromised Covid respiratory system meaning they are contagious. 

 

 

 

Yes, if we all isolated to a box until the end of time we could defeat Covid with a perfect score. The idea is that the fix shouldn’t cause more fallout than the problem.

 

* Or we could simply wear masks and practice social distancing. Much easier than a box. 

 

Let’s revisit the long term effects of economic displacement, missed screenings, overdoses, and suicides in a year or so and see if isolation and shutting the country down was a good move. 

 

 

 

* Let's revisit your humanity courses or simply that if you were injured in one of those wars, they didn't leave you to DIE like a dog! 

 

 

 

Masks work great for keeping secretions out of open surgical wounds and blood splatter/tissue/bone from ending up in the team’s nose or mouth.

 

 

 

* Dude, do you understand English? The masks are there to filter out the Covid virus emanating from your mouth and nose before it hits the atmosphere and is breathed in by another person. How difficult is that to understand? 

 

9 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

 

I don’t walk around with open wounds that welcome foreign invaders, nor do I regularly cut/saw/pry people open...and I think everyone outside of the OR is pretty similar. Soooo masks in the surgical suite are a good idea. 99.9______% of society doesn’t hang out there. 

What percentage hangs out in your alternative reality? You got almost all your arguments completely wrong! 

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44 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

A pt in respiratory isolation is likely there for a reason, right? Some illness, injury, condition warranting isolation, unlike the average person walking around outside. Yes, if we all isolated to a box until the end of time we could defeat Covid with a perfect score. The idea is that the fix shouldn’t cause more fallout than the problem. Let’s revisit the long term effects of economic displacement, missed screenings, overdoses, and suicides in a year or so and see if isolation and shutting the country down was a good move. 
 

Masks work great for keeping secretions out of open surgical wounds and blood splatter/tissue/bone from ending up in the team’s nose or mouth. I don’t walk around with open wounds that welcome foreign invaders, nor do I regularly cut/saw/pry people open...and I think everyone outside of the OR is pretty similar. Soooo masks in the surgical suite are a good idea. 99.9______% of society doesn’t hang out there. 

You're right, masks do work great during surgeries for preventing spreading pathogens, primarily bacteria which spread in respiratory secretions, masks do a very good job of blocking the secretions from spreading.  

It just so happens that's how respiratory viruses spread, in respiratory secretions.  

How is it you think respiratory viruses like coronaviruses spread?

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On 4/19/2021 at 10:03 AM, MeganMN said:

I have heard the claim that the PCR at high amplification may also produce a positive result when fragments of the virus are left over, after initial infection. Not sure if this is verified or not, but I have seen this in the hospital when someone tests positive for a month or more after infection, and possibly even after a 'common' coronavirus (cold).  

As for the rest, time will tell. Those of us that are skeptical may be entirely wrong, partly wrong, or right, same as for the other side of the table. 

In regards to the poster who asked me to be respectful of science as well as my patients, I will say that I AM respectful of science. I am respectful of the fact that some of science is theory, not absolute. I remain skeptical of certain aspects of this pandemic. Some, not all. There are many out there who would attack me in kind for not believing in evolution, but believing in creation. Evolution is also science. All of us cherry pick to some extent, don't we?

Covid PCR tests will still show positive following an acute illness because Covid RNA is present because that's what it's designed to do.  It doesn't test for acute illness or symptoms, it tests for the presence of Covid RNA, which will remain present for some time after a Covid illness.  This is why it's not recommended to use Covid PCR tests to determine if someone still has an active infection or of they are still communicable.  

It's not just some of science that is theory, it's all of it.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with being skeptical, that's also a core part of science.

I would say criticism of certain views on the topic are typically based on a denial of science, and instead embracing ideas which don't come from a scientific process or critical thinking, but rather a desire embrace beliefs that bring comfort, are more digestible, enable us to feel part of a particular group, or to oppose a particular group.

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1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

 

What percentage hangs out in your alternative reality? You got almost all your arguments completely wrong! 

Okay ? look up covid particle size for me. 0.06 to 0.1 last time I checked. N95 filters down to 0.3. Surgical mask doesn’t even come close. Yes, will stop some secretions. Hope you’re wearing at least six around town. 

1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

 

What percentage hangs out in your alternative reality? You got almost all your arguments completely wrong! 

Feel free to cite reputable studies on surgical masks and 6’ distancing btw 

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3 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

Okay ? look up covid particle size for me. 0.06 to 0.1 last time I checked. N95 filters down to 0.3. Surgical mask doesn’t even come close. Yes, will stop some secretions. Hope you’re wearing at least six around town. 

Feel free to cite reputable studies on surgical masks and 6’ distancing btw 

Respiratory viruses like Covid-19 and other Coronaviruses transmit in respiratory droplets, not all on it's own, they aren't really viable any significant period of time when separate from moisture.  Those droplets that can carry Covid are much larger than 0.06 to 0.1 microns.