Does the shot mess with your DNA?

[Floor_Nurse]

The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

[mdcp]

15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

JAMJ

the go over the results in the video from studies. 
they have papers waiting on being approved.

the updated studies and trials are in the video. 
 

 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

Demonstrated ~95% effectiveness in reducing serious disease and hospitalization, versus equivocal studies of treating people who  are already infected. 

Hmmm, this does not seem like a difficult choice to me. 

 I  do not understand how an mRNA vaccine that forms antibodies for the spike protein will cause a virus to mutate. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

2 hours ago, mdcp said:

Ivermectin 

they are using it all over the world. Here is some of the data, trials and research ....

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/videos-and-tutorials-on-ivermectin/

 

 

You need to do a little more research on this.  The studies they are citing have been questionable for the designs and the executions.  The FLCCC group is, however, supportive of vaccines.  They are also opposed to RCT's which makes me leery of them.

[MeganMN]

35 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

In the meantime how many people will you have infected with your antipathy, preventing their vaccinations and collectively, how many people will be infected with the virus from the circle of your influence with the resultant spread? 

None. I live in the country, wear my masks when I go out, homeschool my kids, and pick up my groceries. My circle of influence is small. The people I spend time around have either had the infection or have a small circle as well. My infection control nurse at my hospital states that if I wear a mask and eye protection , even in a room with a covid patient, my risk is minimal, which would also be true if I were out in public wearing a mask as an unvaccinated person. Please don't play the guilt card with me. Just because I am a skeptic does not mean I am careless or unaware of my surroundings or influence. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

18 minutes ago, mdcp said:

the go over the results in the video from studies. 
they have papers waiting on being approved.

the updated studies and trials are in the video. 
 

 

They have also had a paper pulled from a scientific journal because it was not deemed "scientific" enough.  You can go on the internet and find that anybody will say anything.  Kind of like an expert witnesses dueling it out in court and both are paid.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

Your limted -contact style life is pretty much the same as mine but I would like to see my family who live on boths coasts.  If this is the best we can do in terms of traveling safety, I am not ready to mingle in crowded airports unless everyone in the airport is vaccinated except for people who have medical reasons.  But most of those folks with severe immunine compromised conditions aren't going out to mingle with crowds anyway.  Airports are one site where I am all for vaccine passes.  They are cesspools of disease even in the best of times:)

[MeganMN]

11 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

 I  do not understand how an mRNA vaccine that forms antibodies for the spike protein will cause a virus to mutate. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/10/965940914/covid-19-vaccines-could-add-fuel-to-evolution-of-more-coronavirus-mutations

 

[HRoark64, BSN]

48 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Well said, Macawake! 

It's the problem over here. The entire rest of the world doesn't exist. We barely get any news about the rest of the world and the majority of people simply don't care.

At least with soccer we now have an international sport but it's not the same. People here mostly appear to support British teams but it's mostly the soccer. They have little interest in the countries outside of the sporting aspect. 

Currently we are being bombarded with the 'horrendous news' about the variants and the care we need to take, even the vaccinated people. It's all about the scare tactics to generate headlines and make money. Hardly anything about the T-cells produced that appears to recognize enough of the variants, to mitigate enough of the infection to prevent serious illness. 

We have republican politicians that are using the virus to score political points by continuing to deceive their supporters into not taking the vaccine while they themselves have had the vaccines. I'm glad you mentioned socialized medicine re the DNR because again it's money related and headlines related here. The media hyped up the apparent violence of CPR and the costs financially and just as many health professionals are sceptical about the vaccines and they appear to hesitant about CPR as well?

It's a total mess over here. Mass gun shootings on a weekly basis and more guns being sold than ever without any meaningful legislation being enacted because of all the corrupt gun lobbyists in DC. 

I am expecting a mass of suicides from guns when we get close to heard immunity and life goes back to normal?, from all the bankruptcies because people haven't been able to work. It's a crazy, crazy society we have made for ourselves here. 

Wrong on many counts...way to continue the red/blue dialectic that keeps any meaningful debate from happening.  I haven't heard from a single conservative representative or senator lately telling me not to get the vaccine.  Most of what I've heard is a lot of pushback against lockdown and mask policies that make zero sense and can't even pass anecdotal/common sense tests, let alone an actual study.  BTW - don't take that to mean I'm on that side of the aisle.  I spent six years in OIF/OEF observing America from the outside and seeing how the political systems we install to control other populations were perfected in our country first.  Break up with two party tyranny as soon as you can.

Tell me something...why do the states with the most draconian measures have the same or worse infection & mortality rates as the states without them?  How about the countries that didn't enact such measures?  Why hasn't the entire homeless population died from this yet??  They don't wear masks, social distance, or even bathe regularly.  Weird.

Not a forum for gun blathering either.  A person who shoots someone without provocation/justification is called a 'criminal.'  Gun legislation only keeps law abiding citizens from buying/possessing guns - criminals don't typically care about laws...hence their criminal nature.  I expect nothing less of Democrats though, being the party of the Klan, to keep the gun control push alive and well since its original aim was to remove firearms from black communities in the civil rights era.

 

[HRoark64, BSN]

2 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/10/965940914/covid-19-vaccines-could-add-fuel-to-evolution-of-more-coronavirus-mutations

 

It might, it might not.  The one thing about them that's guaranteed to work is continued pharmaceutical corporation welfare on the backs of taxpayers for a virus that won't kill 99.7% of the population.  Good nutrition, exercise, regular sunlight, vitamin supplementation when there's a shortfall...all easy exit ramps.  The pandemic in this country is that the majority now believes in the benevolence of the state and waits on its marching orders.

[MeganMN]

9 minutes ago, subee said:

Your limted -contact style life is pretty much the same as mine but I would like to see my family who live on boths coasts.  If this is the best we can do in terms of traveling safety, I am not ready to mingle in crowded airports unless everyone in the airport is vaccinated except for people who have medical reasons.  But most of those folks with severe immunine compromised conditions aren't going out to mingle with crowds anyway.  Airports are one site where I am all for vaccine passes.  They are cesspools of disease even in the best of times:)

Agreed. Thankfully, I do not have to make that decision. If I do visit with family I will drive and not stop anywhere unless absolutely necessary. I know my decision affects those around me. I am trying to be aware, respectful, and mindful. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, mdcp said:

the go over the results in the video from studies. 
they have papers waiting on being approved.

the updated studies and trials are in the video. 
 

 

Which means that you are not qualified to extrapolate results that are not proven out by the science at this time. 

[HRoark64, BSN]

25 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Which means that you are not qualified to extrapolate results that are not proven out by the science at this time. 

There it is...'the science.'  Link it, please.  And nothing funded by a pharmaceutical company.  Generally unwise to let foxes guard the chicken coop.