Does the shot mess with your DNA?

[Floor_Nurse]

The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

[macawake, MSN]

16 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

I have heard the claim that the PCR at high amplification may also produce a positive result when fragments of the virus are left over, after initial infection. Not sure if this is verified or not, but I have seen this in the hospital when someone tests positive for a month or more after infection, and possibly even after a 'common' coronavirus (cold).  

You can pick up traces of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that is likely no longer active virus/infectious. But that still means that the person who the sample belongs to had a Covid-19 infection at some point. 
 

I’m sorry, but in my opinion Sucharit Bhakdi has very limited value as a source on a nursing site.

 

Do you personally think that the claim that Covid-19 doesn’t pose a bigger threat than the flu is accurate? 

[MeganMN]

8 minutes ago, macawake said:

 

Do you personally think that the claim that Covid-19 doesn’t pose a bigger threat than the flu is accurate? 

I do not think that is accurate. Obviously the world is in turmoil due to this virus and many people are dying or having long term complications. I am just not sure that the vaccine is the answer. I admit, I do not know what the answer is, and I am not going to say that a vaccine will not be helpful. I question the MRNA vaccine. Many people do. And I have concern about a vaccine for a coronavirus based on past attempts and the nature of the virus. I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely. But, I very well may be wrong, and if the time comes, I will admit my wrong and try to move forward. 

[mdcp]

3 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

I do not think that is accurate. Obviously the world is in turmoil due to this virus and many people are dying or having long term complications. I am just not sure that the vaccine is the answer. I admit, I do not know what the answer is, and I am not going to say that a vaccine will not be helpful. I question the MRNA vaccine. Many people do. And I have concern about a vaccine for a coronavirus based on past attempts and the nature of the virus. I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely. But, I very well may be wrong, and if the time comes, I will admit my wrong and try to move forward. 

Ivermectin 

they are using it all over the world. Here is some of the data, trials and research ....

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/videos-and-tutorials-on-ivermectin/

 

 

[MeganMN]

@mdcp thank you for that. There are also several studies ongoing regarding things to prevent severe infection/symptoms. Quercetin is one that I have been following. 

[mdcp]

7 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

@mdcp thank you for that. There are also several studies ongoing regarding things to prevent severe infection/symptoms. Quercetin is one that I have been following. 

Yes because it helps place the zinc back into your cells. 

[macawake, MSN]

35 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

I do not think that is accurate. Obviously the world is in turmoil due to this virus and many people are dying or having long term complications.

Thank you.

 

35 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

I am just not sure that the vaccine is the answer. I admit, I do not know what the answer is, and I am not going to say that a vaccine will not be helpful. I question the MRNA vaccine. Many people do. And I have concern about a vaccine for a coronavirus based on past attempts and the nature of the virus. I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely. But, I very well may be wrong, and if the time comes, I will admit my wrong and try to move forward. 

Doing nothing is not really a viable option though. Continued uncontrolled spread of the virus would result in millions of lives lost worldwide and would tax healthcare systems to, and in some cases beyond, their breaking points. The world cannot afford that. 

I can understand your concern. I have confidence in mRNA vaccine technology, in fact I think it’s a blessing. But so much about this virus is still unknown and it has been unpredictable in some ways. However it has been mutating just fine when left to its own devices and not vaccinating because of what may happen in the future, doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.

One of the strengths of mRNA vaccines is that an updated booster version can be developed in a very short amount of time, as short as a couple of weeks. Historically, very few viruses have developed to become vaccine-resistant.

I do however expect we’ll be needing booster shots at regular intervals (annually?), but that’s just me speculating at this point. 

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

49 minutes ago, MeganMN said:

I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely.

This is totally at odds with how antiviral vaccines work. Fewer potential hosts = fewer opportunities for mutation. This isn't a like bacterium that mutates if exposed to an antibiotic to which it is not susceptible. Viruses replicate, period. The more that they replicate, the more chance for a mutation.

[guest1163268]

2 hours ago, macawake said:

There’s a whole wide world outside the U.S. borders. We’re also vaccinating over here you know... And we’re seeing fewer people die despite a third wave hitting us hard. You think the entire world is orchestrating this just to make your new administration look good? 

The number of people being hospitalized because they can’t breathe and the number of people dying while having a Covid-19 infection, is a factor independent of the number amplifications done in a lab. It’s early days yet, but as we increase our vaccine coverage, we’re seeing that fewer people are dying. That has absolutely nothing to do with your election. And likely everything to do with the vaccine. 
 

 

Well said, Macawake! 

It's the problem over here. The entire rest of the world doesn't exist. We barely get any news about the rest of the world and the majority of people simply don't care.

At least with soccer we now have an international sport but it's not the same. People here mostly appear to support British teams but it's mostly the soccer. They have little interest in the countries outside of the sporting aspect. 

Currently we are being bombarded with the 'horrendous news' about the variants and the care we need to take, even the vaccinated people. It's all about the scare tactics to generate headlines and make money. Hardly anything about the T-cells produced that appears to recognize enough of the variants, to mitigate enough of the infection to prevent serious illness. 

We have republican politicians that are using the virus to score political points by continuing to deceive their supporters into not taking the vaccine while they themselves have had the vaccines. I'm glad you mentioned socialized medicine re the DNR because again it's money related and headlines related here. The media hyped up the apparent violence of CPR and the costs financially and just as many health professionals are sceptical about the vaccines and they appear to hesitant about CPR as well?

It's a total mess over here. Mass gun shootings on a weekly basis and more guns being sold than ever without any meaningful legislation being enacted because of all the corrupt gun lobbyists in DC. 

I am expecting a mass of suicides from guns when we get close to heard immunity and life goes back to normal?, from all the bankruptcies because people haven't been able to work. It's a crazy, crazy society we have made for ourselves here. 

[MeganMN]

@Orca thanks!

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, MeganMN said:

I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely. But, I very well may be wrong, and if the time comes, I will admit my wrong and try to move forward. 

Why do you think that the vaccine might make dangerous mutations more likely? Please show us the science that informs your thinking.  

Which contagious disease has the human race overcome by herd immunity without the benefit of vaccination? Was it small pox? Polio? Measles?

[guest1163268]

2 hours ago, MeganMN said:

I do not think that is accurate. Obviously the world is in turmoil due to this virus and many people are dying or having long term complications. I am just not sure that the vaccine is the answer. I admit, I do not know what the answer is, and I am not going to say that a vaccine will not be helpful. I question the MRNA vaccine. Many people do. And I have concern about a vaccine for a coronavirus based on past attempts and the nature of the virus. I think that a more frightening mutation may occur that will do much more harm than the original, and the vaccine makes this more likely. But, I very well may be wrong, and if the time comes, I will admit my wrong and try to move forward. 

In the meantime how many people will you have infected with your antipathy, preventing their vaccinations and collectively, how many people will be infected with the virus from the circle of your influence with the resultant spread? 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, mdcp said:

Ivermectin 

they are using it all over the world. Here is some of the data, trials and research ....

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/videos-and-tutorials-on-ivermectin/

 

 

JAMAJAMA

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Conclusion and relevance: Among adults with mild COVID-19, a 5-day course of ivermectin, compared with placebo, did not significantly improve the time to resolution of symptoms. The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand the effects of ivermectin on other clinically relevant outcomes.