Does the shot mess with your DNA?

[Floor_Nurse]

The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

[toomuchbaloney]

9 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

Last I checked the only pseudoscience being cherry picked was by the MSM. Imagine a virus so deadly that you have to be tested to know if you’re carrying it. Then telling people to stay indoors...because everyone lives in a HEPA filtered, negative pressure house, right? Ah, and masks. Where are all the biohazard receptacles to properly dispose of such infectious material? Then as soon as a new administration is in, the WHO admits that PCR testing with >30x amplification is useless and drops it to the low 20’s range and POOF...the vaccines are working!! 
 

Just remember the same people pushing solutions and the same media selling them to you also said Iraq had WMD’s and Afghans in caves wanted to kill you for how good you have it in America. Why would they lie??

The level of crazy you just shared here should be embarrassing.  Why aren't you embarrassed?

[MunoRN, RN]

3 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

Last I checked the only pseudoscience being cherry picked was by the MSM. Imagine a virus so deadly that you have to be tested to know if you’re carrying it. Then telling people to stay indoors...because everyone lives in a HEPA filtered, negative pressure house, right? Ah, and masks. Where are all the biohazard receptacles to properly dispose of such infectious material? Then as soon as a new administration is in, the WHO admits that PCR testing with >30x amplification is useless and drops it to the low 20’s range and POOF...the vaccines are working!! 
 

Just remember the same people pushing solutions and the same media selling them to you also said Iraq had WMD’s and Afghans in caves wanted to kill you for how good you have it in America. Why would they lie??

Amplification of viral RNA doesn't produce viral RNA where it doesn't exist, it makes it easier to see when it does exist.  The WHO does not advise any specific number of amplification cycles, and did "admit" that PCR tests were faulty, they released a guidance that laboratories should ensure they are following manufacturers instructions in order to avoid false negatives.  False positives are extremely rare if they occur at all outside of inaverdent contamination of samples.  

Each manufacturer of tests standardizes their positive threshold so that their threshold is comparable to the other available tests.   This is done by adjusting the amplification cycles to achieve the same threshold. 

As for your other wildly misinformed claims, used masks are not considered 'biohazard' because the virus does not survive for extended periods on objects, it primarily spreads through respiratory tract to respiratory tract vectors.  And yes, it's certainly possible to have am asymptomatic Covid infection and we test people because it's important to know if you are an asymptomatic carrier, but it's important because you can unknowingly spread it to others for whom their infection may not be asymptomatic, in fact it may kill them or leave them with permanent health issues.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

9 hours ago, HRoark64 said:

Last I checked the only pseudoscience being cherry picked was by the MSM. Imagine a virus so deadly that you have to be tested to know if you’re carrying it. Then telling people to stay indoors...because everyone lives in a HEPA filtered, negative pressure house, right? Ah, and masks. Where are all the biohazard receptacles to properly dispose of such infectious material? Then as soon as a new administration is in, the WHO admits that PCR testing with >30x amplification is useless and drops it to the low 20’s range and POOF...the vaccines are working!! 
 

Just remember the same people pushing solutions and the same media selling them to you also said Iraq had WMD’s and Afghans in caves wanted to kill you for how good you have it in America. Why would they lie??

Insert Twilight Zone theme here.  What do wars have to do with science?  Lots of mistakes have been made but that doesn't mean we should abandon all critical thinking.

[NVBurch]

17 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I think you're confusing the term "world-renowned" with "infamous" or "notorious".  Although he is "renowned" in a way since he recently won an award; The Goldenes Brett which is awarded annually to the "most astonishing pseudoscientific nuisance".

I'm also not sure "food for thought" is the correct term either.  How the mind of someone detached from reason operates, along with their general disregard for the harm it could cause others is intriguing, in a morbid curiosity sort of way, similar to finding it fascinating how the mind of a cannibalistic murderer works, but it's not "food for thought", no pun intended.

Issues call for reason, not shame and intimidation.  Please prove asymptomatic transmission, variant escape, and lockdown efficacy? You can't. Not without quoting your own "loonies." Kind and reasonable people look over the info, and in the end, rely on their own *** detectors.

[macawake, MSN]

13 hours ago, MeganMN said:

This is the problem.  When a site that is heavily promoting Libertarian, Conservative, and Christian values is seen as looney.  And people are criticized for questioning the narrative, as fed to us by the same bodies that said I could wear a bandana and be okay.  

 

12 hours ago, MeganMN said:

I feel the same.  I will agree to disagree. And yes, I keep my opinions to myself at work, and try to educate my patients and be respectful of their values and beliefs system. I should probably keep my opinions to myself here as well.  It isn't productive. 

It’s nice that you’re respectful of your patients. What I’m asking of you is to also be respectful of science.

I think that most would agree with me that they couldn’t care less if the source was libertarian or Christian as long as it contained scientific facts. The problem arises when you post links to debunked already fact-checked disinformation. That’s in my opinion disrespectful to us as nurses. 

When you post stuff like that, it seems to me that you are operating under the assumption that all the crap you can find on the internet is created equal. It’s not. This ”both sides” deserves consideration argument is tiresome. Pseudoscience, misinformation and conspiracy theories can and should be rejected. 

 

[macawake, MSN]

13 hours ago, HRoark64 said:

Then as soon as a new administration is in, the WHO admits that PCR testing with >30x amplification is useless and drops it to the low 20’s range and POOF...the vaccines are working!! 
 

Just remember the same people pushing solutions and the same media selling them to you also said Iraq had WMD’s and Afghans in caves wanted to kill you for how good you have it in America. Why would they lie??

There’s a whole wide world outside the U.S. borders. We’re also vaccinating over here you know... And we’re seeing fewer people die despite a third wave hitting us hard. You think the entire world is orchestrating this just to make your new administration look good? 

The number of people being hospitalized because they can’t breathe and the number of people dying while having a Covid-19 infection, is a factor independent of the number amplifications done in a lab. It’s early days yet, but as we increase our vaccine coverage, we’re seeing that fewer people are dying. That has absolutely nothing to do with your election. And likely everything to do with the vaccine. 
 

 

[HRoark64, BSN]

18 minutes ago, macawake said:

 

It’s nice that you’re respectful of your patients. What I’m asking of you is to also be respectful of science.

I think that most would agree with me that they couldn’t care less if the source was libertarian or Christian as long as it contained scientific facts. The problem arises when you post links to debunked already fact-checked disinformation. That’s in my opinion disrespectful to us as nurses. 

When you post stuff like that, it seems to me that you are operating under the assumption that all the crap you can find on the internet is created equal. It’s not. This ”both sides” deserves consideration argument is tiresome. Pseudoscience, misinformation and conspiracy theories can and should be rejected. 

 

Post the fact checking plz. And the source of funding for said fact checkers. 
 

I love hearing the left’s mantra of ‘trust the science’ which is usually followed by ‘the science is settled’ which is the antithesis of science. 

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

On 3/19/2021 at 12:25 PM, Shelby91 said:

Whoa, you're really reaching out there. What I choose for my personal health and body has nothing to do with my patients. LOL I can't understand the logic behind that. 

Could this possibly be any more wrong?

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

2 hours ago, NVBurch said:

Issues call for reason, not shame and intimidation.  Please prove asymptomatic transmission, variant escape, and lockdown efficacy? You can't. Not without quoting your own "loonies." Kind and reasonable people look over the info, and in the end, rely on their own *** detectors.

It couldn't be a PANDEMIC if we didn't have asymptomatic transmission!  You don't believe in asymptomatic transmission?  Lifesite is a far right-wing, Evangelical website for the true believers who elevate religious ideology over facts.  

[macawake, MSN]

1 hour ago, HRoark64 said:

Post the fact checking plz. And the source of funding for said fact checkers.

It’s been fact-checked by others. And it has been fact-checked by me. This is a nursing site. The man claimed that Covid-19 is no worse than the flu and that vaccines are pointless. It doesn’t require in-depth research to reject those statements.

 

But since you so kindly said ”plz”, here’s your source:

Macawake’s ? 

 

The reason that’s all you’re getting is that there’s nothing I could ever say, and no amount of quality sources that I could supply, that would sway you. Because you think of this pandemic in politicized terms. The proof is your prior post about the PCR test results & new administration conspiracy. Oh, and that part about ”the left’s mantra”. Last election I voted for Folkpartiet. You have no idea what that even is, or where it belongs on a right-to-left continuum, do you?

 

1 hour ago, HRoark64 said:

I love hearing the left’s mantra of ‘trust the science’ which is usually followed by ‘the science is settled’ which is the antithesis of science. 

This imagined dialogue is only taking place in your mind. I’ve NEVER said that science is settled, nor I’m willing to bet has anyone else in this thread. It’s not language used by people who believe in the scientific method. 
 

[MeganMN]

12 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Amplification of viral RNA doesn't produce viral RNA where it doesn't exist, it makes it easier to see when it does exist. 

I have heard the claim that the PCR at high amplification may also produce a positive result when fragments of the virus are left over, after initial infection. Not sure if this is verified or not, but I have seen this in the hospital when someone tests positive for a month or more after infection, and possibly even after a 'common' coronavirus (cold).  

As for the rest, time will tell. Those of us that are skeptical may be entirely wrong, partly wrong, or right, same as for the other side of the table. 

In regards to the poster who asked me to be respectful of science as well as my patients, I will say that I AM respectful of science. I am respectful of the fact that some of science is theory, not absolute. I remain skeptical of certain aspects of this pandemic. Some, not all. There are many out there who would attack me in kind for not believing in evolution, but believing in creation. Evolution is also science. All of us cherry pick to some extent, don't we?

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

57 minutes ago, HRoark64 said:

Post the fact checking plz. And the source of funding for said fact checkers. 
 

I love hearing the left’s mantra of ‘trust the science’ which is usually followed by ‘the science is settled’ which is the antithesis of science. 

Who EVER said that any science was ever "settled"?   Do you just make it up as you go along?