I am not sure if it is true or not, but I heard that RNs get a little extra pay when they work on a day where nursing students are present. If the charge RN assigned a student to an RN, then they get the extra pay.
I am talking about college nursing students not training a new employee.
It just came on top of my head because I have been assigned to lousy RNs during my clinical rotations and it feels like they should be more engaged with students
Unfortunately the world of nursing is changing to where nursing students are in fact assigned to nurses to help aid in the teaching process. While I am sure it can cause a strain on some unsuspecting nurses, I think it is ridiculous to see nurse's taking out all of their frustration out on the students. It is absolutely not their fault that they are assigned to a 'nurse' and are eager to learn. You guys please quit with the attitudes because it is extremely disheartening. Not one person can be a nurse without being on the floor and shadowing a nurse and getting a taste of the real world of nursing. If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the student. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [students] are simply trying to learn and pass their classes. I remember in school having some 'lousy' [yes I said it] nurses who not only didn't teach [which I get it not everyone is a teacher] but who VISIBLY tried AVOIDING me, which was very very disheartening as a student. That is absolutely unacceptable. If it is a problem, talk to a supervisor about it. I remember coming home on certain days crying because of the horrible experiences I had with some nurses. Many times I did my best to stay out of a nurse's way, really just shadowing and watching, and even asking minimal questions so I wouldn't piss him/her off. Still, some of the responses were the same. It's absolutely disgusting. We were all students once, we all had a preceptorship/immersion in our last quarters [i hope], so can we as nurses calm down.
You're making a lot of egregious assumptions. I think it's YOU that needs to calm down.
Until teaching students becomes part of my job description, it is not my job to teach the students.
It is their teacher's job.
Nobody said anything about taking things out on the student.
It it sounds like you were an exceptionally needy student. I probably would have avoided you, too.
I actually like students and volunteer to take the hit when we have them. Doesn't mean it's my job to do it. I just have a high pain tolerance and am a glutton for punishment.
Now, if you are assigned as the preceptor for the internship in the last semester, that is different. That is not what we're talking about at all.
Unfortunately the world of nursing is changing to where nursing students are in fact assigned to nurses to help aid in the teaching process. While I am sure it can cause a strain on some unsuspecting nurses, I think it is ridiculous to see nurse's taking out all of their frustration out on the students. It is absolutely not their fault that they are assigned to a 'nurse' and are eager to learn. You guys please quit with the attitudes because it is extremely disheartening. Not one person can be a nurse without being on the floor and shadowing a nurse and getting a taste of the real world of nursing. If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the student. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [students] are simply trying to learn and pass their classes. I remember in school having some 'lousy' [yes I said it] nurses who not only didn't teach [which I get it not everyone is a teacher] but who VISIBLY tried AVOIDING me, which was very very disheartening as a student. That is absolutely unacceptable. If it is a problem, talk to a supervisor about it. I remember coming home on certain days crying because of the horrible experiences I had with some nurses. Many times I did my best to stay out of a nurse's way, really just shadowing and watching, and even asking minimal questions so I wouldn't piss him/her off. Still, some of the responses were the same. It's absolutely disgusting. We were all students once, we all had a preceptorship/immersion in our last quarters [i hope], so can we as nurses calm down.
Did you not notice that every single one of us expressed how badly we want to be able to give students the time and attention they need but we just cannot do it because of the demands that are put on us. And then there are those pesky patients that have, you know, needs. Sorry you had a bad time of it but we weren't the ones who did it. Next time you decide to chide us you might want to take some time to read and comprehend the posts that have come before yours.
Unfortunately the world of nursing is changing to where nursing students are in fact assigned to nurses to help aid in the teaching process. While I am sure it can cause a strain on some unsuspecting nurses, I think it is ridiculous to see nurse's taking out all of their frustration out on the students. It is absolutely not their fault that they are assigned to a 'nurse' and are eager to learn. You guys please quit with the attitudes because it is extremely disheartening. Not one person can be a nurse without being on the floor and shadowing a nurse and getting a taste of the real world of nursing. If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the student. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [students] are simply trying to learn and pass their classes. I remember in school having some 'lousy' [yes I said it] nurses who not only didn't teach [which I get it not everyone is a teacher] but who VISIBLY tried AVOIDING me, which was very very disheartening as a student. That is absolutely unacceptable. If it is a problem, talk to a supervisor about it. I remember coming home on certain days crying because of the horrible experiences I had with some nurses. Many times I did my best to stay out of a nurse's way, really just shadowing and watching, and even asking minimal questions so I wouldn't piss him/her off. Still, some of the responses were the same. It's absolutely disgusting. We were all students once, we all had a preceptorship/immersion in our last quarters [i hope], so can we as nurses calm down.
Are you in the U.S.?
Did your School of Nursing or your Clinical Instructors specifically tell you to expect the Nursing staff to teach you assessment, documentation, and/or clinical skills?
I think it's "unacceptable" that some nursing schools are assigning too many students to CIs, thereby using the staff RNs, who have NO AFFILIATION with the school WHATSOEVER, as free labor.
In my limited experience, it obviously depends on the instructor. We have a clinical group whose teacher is an RN in our hospital. She is wonderful. If she assigns her student to my patient, they help the NAs with care, pass meds, take their vitals etc. and it is very helpful to me. There is another group that is totally different. Their instructor sticks her students with us, and I'm expected to stand there while they open all the PO meds, then I have to walk them through IV pushes, the meds being pushed and all that goes along with that; programming our pumps etc. Then I explain how I prioritize care, etc. Since I'm a new nurse and recent grad, I feel for the students and I take the time to do this as much as I can, but also as NEW nurse, I wonder why this is my responsibility since I myself am still learning. All this time spent also takes out of my charting time, so when the students leave guess who has to stay past her shift charting even more that usual? We don't get paid at all to teach students. Being a student nurse barely scratches the surface of what being an RN entails. I myself as a student thought an RN teaching me shouldn't be a big deal. I quickly learned otherwise..
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Unfortunately the world of nursing is changing to where nursing students are in fact assigned to nurses to help aid in the teaching process. While I am sure it can cause a strain on some unsuspecting nurses, I think it is ridiculous to see nurse's taking out all of their frustration out on the students. It is absolutely not their fault that they are assigned to a 'nurse' and are eager to learn. You guys please quit with the attitudes because it is extremely disheartening. Not one person can be a nurse without being on the floor and shadowing a nurse and getting a taste of the real world of nursing. If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the student. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [students] are simply trying to learn and pass their classes. I remember in school having some 'lousy' [yes I said it] nurses who not only didn't teach [which I get it not everyone is a teacher] but who VISIBLY tried AVOIDING me, which was very very disheartening as a student. That is absolutely unacceptable. If it is a problem, talk to a supervisor about it. I remember coming home on certain days crying because of the horrible experiences I had with some nurses. Many times I did my best to stay out of a nurse's way, really just shadowing and watching, and even asking minimal questions so I wouldn't piss him/her off. Still, some of the responses were the same. It's absolutely disgusting. We were all students once, we all had a preceptorship/immersion in our last quarters [i hope], so can we as nurses calm down.
You. Don't. Get. It.
After 200 posts, at least half of them from senior nurses telling you what it's actually like in the real world, reiterating that it's about PATIENT CARE and not about YOU or your education, that nurses don't get any extra pay for having to deal with a student, that students increase our work load exponentially, that nurses get no say in whether or not they are saddled with a student and that the supervisor cannot do anything about it if the nurse doesn't want a student, you still don't get it. It's not my job to teach you. It's not even high on my priority list. It's your clinical instructor's job to teach you. Given your attitude and failure to catch on, I understand why the nurses you were paired with were trying so hard to avoid you.
We were all students once. We all remember what that was like. Every single one of us remembers. You, however, have no idea what it's like to be on the other side of the equation. And you don't seem to be getting it when we try to tell you. I worry for the future of nursing, if students are so hard to teach.
At my facility we have three nursing schools who come in. Sometimes I have two or three nursing students assigned to me. I don't get any extra pay for having them. I take them, because someone has to train them. I also an getting my master's to teach nursing so I like the experience. If they are good, they can make my night a lot easier and give the patients one on one.
Specializes in Oncology, Rehab, Public Health, Med Surg.
Unfortunately the world of nursing is changing to where nursing students are in fact assigned to nurses to help aid in the teaching process. While I am sure it can cause a strain on some unsuspecting nurses, I think it is ridiculous to see nurse's taking out all of their frustration out on the students. It is absolutely not their fault that they are assigned to a 'nurse' and are eager to learn. You guys please quit with the attitudes because it is extremely disheartening. Not one person can be a nurse without being on the floor and shadowing a nurse and getting a taste of the real world of nursing. If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to
the student
. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service and they [students] are simply trying to learn
Still, some of the responses were the same. It's absolutely disgusting. We were all students once, we all had a preceptorship/immersion in our last quarters [i hope], so can we as nurses calm down.
Seriously?
No where in my job description does it say I am to be of service to nursing students.
Trust me , no nurse is taking out ALL her frustration on a student.
We as nurses calm down?
Why? Perhaps you should work a little harder at building up your emotional reserves if you find us repeatedly so disheartening
Specializes in Med/Surg, OR, Peds, Patient Education.
jrwest, I certainly do not blame you for 'looking for a way out,' but I hope that it is in the medical field as I am sure that your knowledge and skill can be utilized. I know that some of my former coworkers, stretched to the limit are, also, looking for ways to leave the clinical setting. One excellent Pedi RN has all ready done so. It is tragic that the very nurses who should stay are the ones who are either retiring early, or looking for less stressful settings.
Will hospitals ever wake up and realize that their knowledgeable nurses, and not their many, many directors, administrators and other well paid corporate elite, are who keep patients safe?
If you are so against having a student [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your supervisor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the student. From a student's POV, a nurse who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [students] are simply trying to learn and pass their classes.
Excellent advice with just a few minor edits.
If you are so against having a staff nurse [for the day] then I'd suggest talking to your clinical instructor, etc. and explaining that instead of venting to the staff nurse [forum]. From a nurse's POV, a student who is visibly annoyed and upset does no service to them, and they [nurses] are simply trying to get their work done.
Being a student nurse barely scratches the surface of what being an RN entails. I myself as a student thought an RN teaching me shouldn't be a big deal. I quickly learned otherwise.
Being a student nurse barely scratches the surface of what being an RN entails. I myself as a student thought an RN teaching me shouldn't be a big deal. I quickly learned otherwise.
Being a student nurse barely scratches the surface of what being an RN entails. I myself as a student thought an RN teaching me shouldn't be a big deal. I quickly learned otherwise.
Being a student nurse barely scratches the surface of what being an RN entails. I myself as a student thought an RN teaching me shouldn't be a big deal. I quickly learned otherwise.
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You're making a lot of egregious assumptions. I think it's YOU that needs to calm down.
Until teaching students becomes part of my job description, it is not my job to teach the students.
It is their teacher's job.
Nobody said anything about taking things out on the student.
It it sounds like you were an exceptionally needy student. I probably would have avoided you, too.
I actually like students and volunteer to take the hit when we have them. Doesn't mean it's my job to do it. I just have a high pain tolerance and am a glutton for punishment.
Now, if you are assigned as the preceptor for the internship in the last semester, that is different. That is not what we're talking about at all.