Diploma and Associate Degree in Nursing

[LasercopyNurse]

The new nursing standard favors ADN over diploma for recruitment by hospitals for their professionalism skill/knowledge to reach higher patient care quality.

The questions will be about the difference between these degrees in term 

1. The requirement to get admission for such a program 
2. Credits hours to finish / Time 
3. Competency 

or Additional info would be appreciated.

From gathered data from multiple articles and summarized briefly 

The requirement for the Diploma admission is the completion of secondary education 

It takes three years to attend hospital classes 

Competency would be nursing assistance  

The other discussion would be about the difference and opinions about both degrees.

Should we remove diplomas from nursing programs? Why? 

My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher. 

Thanks in advance for your time. 

[Wuzzie]

16 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

based on what I know that the HIerarchy of nursing degree shows that Aossicate degree has a higher level than the diploma.

Which clearly shows how little you actually know. Again, I advise you to stop before things get ugly. 

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

25 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

Hello 

Why is it offending to write such a statement? genuinely asking

based on what I know that the Hierarchy of nursing degree shows that Aossicate degree has a higher level than the diploma.

 that what evidence shows the question is why? what the opinion of you on that without insulting others. that the intention of such post to discuss about that matter. in your experience you mentioned about favor goes to the diploma rather than ADN. mind if you share briefly what made you say that? is it because the diploma nurses you worked with showed more knowledge and skills than ADN/BSN?

if you have time to share such knowledge with us that would be appreciated.

I'm going to assume that English is not your first language and I know that nuance can prove challenging to people who use it as a second or third language.

"Having more ADN/BSN nurses would result in educated nurses."

This LOUDLY implies that nurses from diploma programs are uneducated.

And that's just the language. I have doubts about your whole premise. It's probably based on biased papers written by non-hands on care paper nurses who have a vested interest in promoting degree inflation.

[chrisjk]

I usually read, never respond, but.....I'm a diploma grad(from the same school as my mother and sister).  It was a relief to go from school into the work world(my first job was on an oncology floor); work was sooo much less demanding than my school's expectations.(btw, state board pass rate was 99%).  I worked for a couple of years and then went back for my BSN(testing out of as many courses as possible).  The difference between the 2 schools was startling; I could miss many classes(not allowed in my diploma school) and still come out with a B.....the clinicals were a joke, etc(just a much lower standard).  I didn't attend graduation for my BSN and have always proudly worn my diploma pin.  I've always worked "on staff"; my sister and mother were management(and they definitely earned that rate by their capability).  That's not to say that I haven't worked with some excellent ADN and BSN nurses; I definitely have.  So many different factors come into play as well; some nurses go out of their way to learn as much as they possibly can(both clinically & academically):  others....not so much. When I was studying for boards, my mother could answer more of the practice questions correctly than I ever could....go figure.

[sleepwalker, MSN, NP]

On 12/19/2021 at 5:35 AM, LasercopyNurse said:

In my county, we do not have diploma degrees. Only we have ADN/BSN offered by one college, which means nursing education comes from a single source. those who graduated with a Diploma degree indeed are nurses, but the not the same level of hierarchy as ADN and above the higher level of degree comes with higher compentancy 

check the attached picture for a hierarchy of degrees in nursing 

The idea that you equate degree level with competence is inherently flawed. 

 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

15 hours ago, sleepwalker said:

The idea that you equate degree level with competence is inherently flawed. 

 

Can we say experience plays a role in the domain of competence? 

[Guest 1152923]

   No disrespect intended here but this outsiders’ curiosity of the American RN ‘hierarchy’ structure somehow reminds of me of Hollywood and SciFi’s portrayal of aliens coming to Earth to better understand these perplexing human beings and their unusual behaviors.  Again, sorry; just a bit of levity

[Emergent, RN]

Not sure why folks are attacking the OP.

Diploma programs are getting pretty rare in the United States. I have heard that they are superior. One of the best nurses that I ever worked with, and a very intelligent lady, was the product of a diploma program.

As far as the intelligence comment, a lot of people think that folks with higher levels of Education are more intelligent. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape by someone holding that opinion.

[Wuzzie]

Just now, Emergent said:

As far as the intelligence comment, a lot of people think that folks with higher levels of Education are more intelligent. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape by someone holding that opinion.

Because thinking it doesn't make it true and it's insulting.

[Emergent, RN]

Just now, Wuzzie said:

Because thinking it doesn't make it true and it's insulting.

Of course thinking it doesn't make it true but that's what a lot of people think. I only have an ADN and I know that I'm more intelligent than most people. I even scored extremely high on the IQ test. It doesn't bother me that people might think I'm less intelligent because I absolutely know that's not true.

[Wuzzie]

6 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Of course thinking it doesn't make it true but that's what a lot of people think. I only have an ADN and I know that I'm more intelligent than most people. I even scored extremely high on the IQ test. It doesn't bother me that people might think I'm less intelligent because I absolutely know that's not true.

But we needn't propogate the misinformation and frankly I think the OP is just stirring up trouble. He/she has been informed that their premise is flawed and inflammatory and they double down while playing the innocent card. This is a public site. The public needs to know that they are getting good care no matter the entry to practice education a nurse has. 

[Guest 1152923]

6 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Not sure why folks are attacking the OP.

Diploma programs are getting pretty rare in the United States. I have heard that they are superior. One of the best nurses that I ever worked with, and a very intelligent lady, was the product of a diploma program.

As far as the intelligence comment, a lot of people think that folks with higher levels of Education are more intelligent. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape by someone holding that opinion.

     This is a common misconception; education=intelligence.  I’ve worked closely with surgeons over the years and have known several (one an Ivy League grad) who were so obviously incompetent, I was left wondering if they paid a bribe for their MD.  Unfortunately, the same applies to all disciplines, including nurses!

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

18 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Of course, thinking it doesn't make it true but that's what a lot of people think. I only have an ADN and I know that I'm more intelligent than most people. I even scored extremely high on the IQ test. It doesn't bother me that people might think I'm less intelligent because I absolutely know that's not true.

If I may ask if someone like you intelligence. do you think seeking higher education would improve  intelligent? 

this is my aim when I created this post to know the opinion of other about this topic from different views.

I agree with you, Degree is not the only determination of one's intelligent many factors determine that. 

your comment was appreciated because my intention not to insult nor be rude to anyone.