Diploma and Associate Degree in Nursing

[LasercopyNurse]

The new nursing standard favors ADN over diploma for recruitment by hospitals for their professionalism skill/knowledge to reach higher patient care quality.

The questions will be about the difference between these degrees in term 

1. The requirement to get admission for such a program 
2. Credits hours to finish / Time 
3. Competency 

or Additional info would be appreciated.

From gathered data from multiple articles and summarized briefly 

The requirement for the Diploma admission is the completion of secondary education 

It takes three years to attend hospital classes 

Competency would be nursing assistance  

The other discussion would be about the difference and opinions about both degrees.

Should we remove diplomas from nursing programs? Why? 

My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher. 

Thanks in advance for your time. 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

9 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

Are we seriously going to entertain this? The topic is divisive, without any value and certain to devolve into a snarky free for all. 

Well, that is one of the points of view on the topic.

When we talk about the difference between DNP and Ph.D., does that make it divisive or just knowing the difference of practice, leading to gaining knowledge on the hierarchy of nursing positions. I aim to have a clear view and opinion of that topic. To have a background on that topic, having others' opinions reduce knowledge gaps may be something I do not know or missed while reading articles. 

I hope that justifies the publishment of such a post. 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

6 hours ago, JKL33 said:

Is this topic for an assignment?

If so, I would like to register my opinion that this topic isn't worth precious educational time when people should be learning all that is needed to provide nursing care to patients.

I think schools of nursing should focus on their own immediate backyard, meaning if they have concerns about quality of patient care they can up their own game instead of taking people's money and providing as little as possible in return. If this does happen to be a topic for an assignment, you are getting robbed.

Not for assignment, just reading articles about that topic then decided to read the opinion of others to reduce the knowledge gap on that topic, why it is necessary to know the hierarchy of nursing positions and the competency of each level of nursing positions. 

For example, when I used to study at my college of nursing in my country, considering only one college we have, students get confused between diploma and associate degree saying I am diploma student. Still, in reality, they are Associate degree in nursing students. Knowing the competency of such a degree gives the student a clear view to have a vision based on where to aim for the current position. I believe not to devalue our colleagues' diploma degree holders or anything, just seeking knowledge in that domain. 

 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

5 hours ago, PoodleBreath said:

It's late for me and my brain is in snooze mode, or it could be the original post just isn't making a lot of sense, but is the poster asking the internet to do their homework assignment?

Well, to be assigned by others, let say it is self-assignment if I may say, knowing others opinions on the topic and having multiple points of view on such topic would be beneficial not only for me also for others when reading the topic to get briefed answered from a different point of views.

Unless I misunderstood, one of the concepts of such a forum is to have discussions about topics and read others' opinions. 

 

[macawake, MSN]

3 hours ago, LasercopyNurse said:

In my county, we do not have diploma degrees. Only we have ADN/BSN offered by one college, which means nursing education comes from a single source. those who graduated with a Diploma degree indeed are nurses, but the not the same level of hierarchy as ADN and above the higher level of degree comes with higher compentancy 

I know that you aren’t from the U.S. or practicing nursing there. Neither am I. If I remember correctly from a previous thread, you’re from somewhere in the Middle East. Kuwait? I was reasonably certain when I saw your OP that you don’t have Diploma degrees so I was actually wondering what it is about this topic that interests you. If you weren’t aware before that it is a rather inflammatory topic that tends to get people’s feathers ruffled, now you are. 

So I have an MSN in anesthesia which makes me competent in that specialty. But does that really mean that I have higher competency than BSN nurses who have worked on Neurology or Rheumatology floors for ten years in those respective specialties? Do I know more about Gerontology than a BSN who has worked in an LTC for twenty years? I doubt it. So what kind of competency are we discussing here? Having a higher academic degree than someone else?

I’m not trying to be rude here but since you don’t even have Diploma degrees in your country, why do you think it’s interesting to discuss whether they should be removed altogether in the U.S.? 
 

Edited to add: Okay, I took quite a lot of time in writing my post (doing other things simultaneously) and I now see that you made a couple of posts attempting to clarify your interest. But I don’t see anything good coming from this discussion. The way you speculate about people’s intelligence is rather insulting and it's also a claim that you haven't supported with any kind of evidence.
 

[Wuzzie]

29 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

I hope that justifies the publishment of such a post. 

It does not. Your premise about levels of intelligence is garbage and I seriously hope the mods shut this down. 

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, LasercopyNurse said:

In the domain of intelligence, due to the equipment to be entitled to such degree, the ADN has a higher requirement that filters the student for higher educational background than a diploma only requiring completion of secondary education, which results in higher intelligence from equipment filtration of such program. 

Oy.

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

12 minutes ago, macawake said:

I know that you aren’t from the U.S. or practicing nursing there. Neither am I. If I remember correctly from a previous thread, you’re from somewhere in the Middle East. Kuwait? I was reasonably certain when I saw your OP that you don’t have Diploma degrees so I was actually wondering what it is about this topic that interests you. If you weren’t aware before that it is a rather inflammatory topic that tends to get people’s feathers ruffled, now you are. 

So I have an MSN in anesthesia which makes me competent in that specialty. But does that really mean that I have higher competency than BSN nurses who have worked on Neurology or Rheumatology floors for ten years in those respective specialties? Do I know more about Gerontology than a BSN who has worked in an LTC for twenty years? I doubt it. So what kind of competency are we discussing here? Having a higher academic degree than someone else?

I’m not trying to be rude here but since you don’t even have Diploma degrees in your country, why do you think it’s interesting to discuss whether they should be removed altogether in the U.S.? 
 

Edited to add: Okay, I took quite a lot of time in writing my post (doing other things simultaneously) and I now see that you made a couple of posts attempting to clarify your interest.
 

my point is 

Removing diploma degrees and encouraging ADN by lowering costs on such degrees and increasing ADN program for accessibility, and spotlighting it that what I meant. Having more nurses ADN/BSN would result in educated nurses.

About Master degree in nursing means that the Nurse would be more comment in the specialty he got the degree on example Nurse with a master degree in informatics would outperform a nurse with BSN. 

MSN is defined by being specialized in one field. Comparing BSN to MSN would be in the same specialty. BSN nurses working in Neurology outperform Nurse with a Master's Degree in education. 

It was my mistake not to mention my interest in the first place. we learn from mistakes it seems 

I hope that clears out the doubts in interest.

all the best 

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

20 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

Having more nurses ADN/BSN would result in educated nurses.

The way this is written is so utterly insulting that it's difficult to respond to it without throwing down.

Have you actually worked with nurses from a diploma program?? I have, and my experiences were such that if I were picking out job candidates just going by the program listed on their resumes, my first choice would be the diploma graduate.

[Wuzzie]

36 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

It was my mistake not to mention my interest in the first place. we learn from mistakes it seems 

Yet here you are with your degree not learning from yours. People have been polite so far but that will likely end soon. 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

9 minutes ago, Jedrnurse said:

The way this is written is so utterly insulting that it's difficult to respond to it without throwing down.

Have you actually worked with nurses from a diploma program?? I have, and my experiences were such that if I were picking out job candidates just going by the program listed on their resumes, my first choice would be the diploma graduate.

Hello 

Why is it offending to write such a statement? genuinely asking

based on what I know that the Hierarchy of nursing degree shows that Aossicate degree has a higher level than the diploma.

 that what evidence shows the question is why? what the opinion of you on that without insulting others. that the intention of such post to discuss about that matter. in your experience you mentioned about favor goes to the diploma rather than ADN. mind if you share briefly what made you say that? is it because the diploma nurses you worked with showed more knowledge and skills than ADN/BSN?

if you have time to share such knowledge with us that would be appreciated.

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

6 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

Yet here you are with your degree not learning from yours. People have been polite so far but that will likely end soon. 

My degree in Nursing is not for writing posts and communicating with nurses outside my country to gain experience and knowledge.

Different domains, if I would say.

[Wuzzie]

7 minutes ago, LasercopyNurse said:

My degree In Nursing is not for writing posts and communicating with nurses outside my country to gain experience and knowledge.

Your premise that people with degrees are smarter than people without is not being supported by your inability to comprehend how badly you are screwing up here. You are making a fool out of yourself and I highly recommend you stop.