Diploma and Associate Degree in Nursing

[LasercopyNurse]

The new nursing standard favors ADN over diploma for recruitment by hospitals for their professionalism skill/knowledge to reach higher patient care quality.

The questions will be about the difference between these degrees in term 

1. The requirement to get admission for such a program 
2. Credits hours to finish / Time 
3. Competency 

or Additional info would be appreciated.

From gathered data from multiple articles and summarized briefly 

The requirement for the Diploma admission is the completion of secondary education 

It takes three years to attend hospital classes 

Competency would be nursing assistance  

The other discussion would be about the difference and opinions about both degrees.

Should we remove diplomas from nursing programs? Why? 

My opinion would be ( Personally ) to remove diploma degree and encourage students to aim for ADN instead of diploma to be more competent and educated. The rationale to get better patient care as the average intelligence of nurses would be higher. 

Thanks in advance for your time. 

[toughcookie, ADN, BSN]

1 hour ago, Jedrnurse said:

So you meant the diploma programs were more available, not that the diplomas themselves were easy to get? Good, because those programs didn't play. If you dropped the ball you were OUT...

Yes. It was poor choice of words on my part. More available to get than now. I don't think my state offers it. Even where I am at LPN programs are limited. I researched when I was thinking about becoming one but couldn't. Since there was none in my area ADN was my option. Where I am at is saturated with ADN programs. Trust me, I know any nursing program is not easy. And the professors said they did more clinical hours which in that aspect I like. I learn more hands on than spending reviewing power points and class time. 

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

55 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

That’s because back then there weren’t many BSN programs and the ADN didn’t exist. 

Yikes! I've now got a case of Incorrectly Attributed Quote Syndrome! ? The post I'm trying to quote is off as well - glitches??

[Wuzzie]

4 minutes ago, Jedrnurse said:

Yikes! I've now got a case of Incorrectly Attributed Quote Syndrome! ? The post I'm trying to quote is off as well - glitches??

You’re right. No idea how that happened. Maybe because we didn’t have informatics back when I went to school. ?

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

50 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

You’re right. No idea how that happened. Maybe because we didn’t have informatics back when I went to school. ?

Oh, it must have been one of those "diploma" schools; their intelligence is a bit off, you know...

[nursel56]

11 hours ago, LasercopyNurse said:

 

edit: decided to stay out of it

[Kitiger, RN]

6 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

You’re right. No idea how that happened. Maybe because we didn’t have informatics back when I went to school. ?

We didn't have computers either, no smart phones in our pockets. The only computers that I knew of were in the universities, hospitals, and some big scientific companies.

 

[PMFB-RN, RN]

20 hours ago, LasercopyNurse said:

would be a better understanding of the patient's condition and formulate recommendations when the attending doctor discusses the patient condition. In our college BSN program, we study anatomy and physiology more than the ADN program. Thus, students who graduate with BSN would have more knowledge in such conditions than ADN.

I don't know what program you are in so I can't refute your particular claim. However in general your claim is false. Generally there is no difference in the A&P requirements between ADN and BSN programs. Do you know that RN to BSN programs do not include A&P? So the vast number of nurses who have earned a BSN have done so after their ADN program and did not take further A&P classes. 

[avengingspirit1]

I had a Bachelor's Degree in Business, did some graduate work in education, completed a year of Physical Therapist Assistant School before switching to nursing.  I chose a three year hospital based nursing program where you had to have your prerequisites completed before applying.  Those included your math, sciences, computer courses, history, and everything else that would normally be included in any Bachelor's program.  We went three years straight through the summers.  The knowledge base I gained was priceless.

Someone in the very beginning of this thread said it best; this topic is divisive and only serves to create friction instead of unifying.  Evey single nurse regardless of how they became an RN has something to offer and the potential to learn more and adapt to new technology that will hopefully help heal and prevent disease.   Having more than one pathway to becoming an RN allows those from different educational and career backgrounds to bring fresh perspectives to the profession.  Why this bothers some is intriguing.   

 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

On 1/2/2022 at 12:50 PM, Honyebee said:

I thought you were a nurse. You should know this part. 

For some uni, it takes as long as 12, 15, or 16 months to obtain a BSN. 
https://www.unlv.edu/degree/bs-nursing    The clinicals are quite the same. 

For the ADN and BSN programs, the nursing cores are quite the same. Nursing informatics is a specialized degree after you obtain a BSN-RN. Those you’ve listed are also in the ADN program. All nurses utilize informatics.

 

...You're interesting. 

I am a nurse indeed  

due to the absence of a diploma program in my country, I am curious about the opinion of nurses about such programs as reading articles only I believe will not suffice more than reading theoretical and reading others share of experiences on such matter. 

I assumed that the BSN program was different from ours thus I asked.

 

 

[LasercopyNurse, BSN]

On 1/2/2022 at 1:16 PM, Honyebee said:

Frankly, the ADN-Nurses, many of them obtain their BSN. You're late to their party.  

I need to enhance my reading comprehension. See you later. 

It seems I am late for the party 

I need to enhance my writing skills ?