Different pay and responsibility for 2 year RN's VS 4 year RN's

[kasey14546]

I'm completing an RN to BSN program in 2 months. I have learned so much in the BSN program I wish I had taken it sooner. The additional education has taught me skills I never learned in trainings, or by experience.

I think that just as there is a difference in the tasks an RN and LPN can preform, there should also be a difference in what a two year RN can do, in comparison to a RN with a BSN. The 2 year RN should not be in leadeership or management positions since they have not been trained in accredeited colleges for this skill. The BSN has. I'm sure the 2 yers RN's will disagree with me, and 2 years ago I would have disagreed also. However, after being able to compare the two from personal experience, I feel the BSN is more educated for leadership and management. The BSN nurse should be paid more, and should be the starting educational level for these positions.

Most professions have at least a 4 year degree. Nurses need to improve their educational standing to be equal with other professional fields.

[dianthe1013]

I really have little to contribute to such a volatile conversation. I wonder if it's only a matter of time until this thread gets locked up...? ::shrugs::

I decided to get my ADN and then complete a bridge program for my BSN. My grandmother, who is a nurse, recommended this, probably for the same reasons some others have stated; she felt I would be more appreciative of the added theory courses if I already had some on-the-job experience under my belt.

After careful consideration of the pros and cons of ADN-to-BSN as opposed to direct-BSN, I decided that path was right for me. It will take more time, but I tend to learn more and better when I have some knowledge about the true ins-and-outs of a subject under my belt. I anticipate being better prepared for my theory and management courses this way.

And, since I always seem to end up in management in all my jobs, it has always been my objective from the first to obtain my BSN. I'm just taking a meandering route.

My grandmother agrees, by the way, with those who said this never comes up at work. LOL She said, "We don't have time for that s**t."

Donna :)

[SKM-NURSIEPOOH, BSN, RN]

originally posted by susy k

actually, deb that wasn't the point. the point was that alot of people think the courses you just mentioned, and took yourself in your adn program are useless. they aren't. maybe they were to you, or others, and if so that's a shame.

i've always said there is more to life out there than nursing and being a nurse. there is life out there folks, which includes things like a liberal education. and short of time travel, the only way to learn about the spanish war or literature is to take a course.

that is all i am trying to say.

sorry...but i have to disagree with ya on this one point. anyone can educate themselves about any subject matter they want just by going to their neighborhood library...order self help books...or learn how to speak a foriegn language by using books/tapes/computer software....if they desire enrichment. i think the difference about being forced to take a course on spanish war or literature in order to go towards a nursing degree is what's sore for a lot of folks.

i do appreciate the value of education...really i do...i'm just a bit peeved with some of the games that colleges & universities play in order for folks to receive their respective degrees (all disciplines). why do some programs &/or degrees require "x" amount of elective courses...& others require "y" amount? i'm not speaking of the basic english, college level math, sciences including social sciences....i'm speaking of taking stuff like swimming or aerobics classes for pe (which some h.s. have dropped as a requirement for graduation) or taking floral arranging for example. some colleges & universities have varying standards as to how many credits each of these type of elective classes are worth....some schools will give one credit for a p.e. class...others will give three credits. should the p.e. class weigh as much as a major class? what happens to the student who physically can't pass a p.e. class? what happens if a student is terrible at arranging flowers? what...should they not graduate because they lack one to three credits for p.e....or they lack creativity? these examples i know are exteme...but i personally know some folks whom had their gpa knocked down because they received a c- in a p.e. course. i mean...shouldn't this be about academia & what one learn?

and of course...the above paragraph isn't directed at you susy...i'm basically asking these retorical questions collectively. i just disagreed with your statement regarding the only way one will learn about a subject is by going to college &/ or university.

cheers!

moe

[New CCU RN]

Moe,

May have just been my university .... but there were no floral arrangement courses or PE courses.

Trying to think of the easiest course... ohh probably Freshman Seminar...which was mandatory.. one credit...but it did help address certain topics that needed to be addressed that first semester... it was also P/F so it didnt affect your GPA.

[New CCU RN]

Originally posted by nursecheryl

Nikki, You keep asking, "Why can't we just support each other." Can't you see that YOU are being unsupportive and a trouble maker as well. You think we are all jealous of your BSN, not. You haven't even graduated from nursing school, haven't taken the boards and you already have your nose in the air. And, you have your picture on there for everyone to see, so proud of you oppinion. What happens when someone who is about to train you on the floor see's you and makes copies of what is on these boards with your attitude about the majority of nurses, LPN's, ADN and Diploma nurses, and passes it around. If the nurses you work with don't support you, you are not going to make it. As a matter of fact, you may have already been noticed by a person who is a nurse now and just happens to be working the floor you are doing clinicals on. He/She can cause you some problems, if they aren't professional as It sounds like you are making it sound. Get use to the idea, we are all nurses and you aren't going to change it. Na Na Na na na. I know everyone, that wasn't professional, but she has just got me sooooo mad with her attitude. That dosen't go for any other BSN's because I look at all of you with the respect you deserve until you start demanding it.

:eek: :

Don't know what prompted this hositility. The board seemed to be calming down and everyone was expressing their opinions in an effective, respectful manner. Why did personal attacks have to start???????

[Q.]

No offense taken Moe. :)

I don't know why colleges/universities differ on their general ed requirements. I remember being somewhat irritated, but every course I took, from 20th Century Literature to ceramics, I enjoyed. To this day, because I was "forced" to take a fine arts course (like ceramics) I can spin a bowl with ease (and have it centered!) My husband who also took an art history course, saved his college text because it was so interesting. It sits in our living room. My husband took a meterology course (again, a GE requirement) and knows enough about weather systems that you can ask him and get a real answer. So that's why I love the GE courses. I really do. And btw I think it's crappy that some schools have indeed dropped PE as a graduation requirement. My god, we're fat enough as it is! But that's a whole nother thread.

Back to your point, sure I'll give ya that - you can check out a book on any topic and learn about it that way. But in all reality, how many people would actually do so if weren't required? I really, really want to take a Pilates class, but can't even find the time to do that!

So, I don't really know what my point was, but I guess, well, the GE courses aren't useless - unless you make them so.

[EmeraldNYL, BSN, RN]

Originally posted by nursecheryl

Nikki, You keep asking, "Why can't we just support each other." Can't you see that YOU are being unsupportive and a trouble maker as well. You think we are all jealous of your BSN, not. You haven't even graduated from nursing school, haven't taken the boards and you already have your nose in the air. And, you have your picture on there for everyone to see, so proud of you oppinion. What happens when someone who is about to train you on the floor see's you and makes copies of what is on these boards with your attitude about the majority of nurses, LPN's, ADN and Diploma nurses, and passes it around. If the nurses you work with don't support you, you are not going to make it. As a matter of fact, you may have already been noticed by a person who is a nurse now and just happens to be working the floor you are doing clinicals on. He/She can cause you some problems, if they aren't professional as It sounds like you are making it sound. Get use to the idea, we are all nurses and you aren't going to change it. Na Na Na na na. I know everyone, that wasn't professional, but she has just got me sooooo mad with her attitude. That dosen't go for any other BSN's because I look at all of you with the respect you deserve until you start demanding it.

Cheryl, this post was really immature and unprofessional. I've already explained that I certainly don't have anything against ADN or diploma nurses but you obviously are only hearing what you want to believe. If you aren't willing to give your opinions without making personal attacks, then I will kindly ask you to stay out of the conversation. Thanks.

[Ortho_RN]

YAWN!!

[EmeraldNYL, BSN, RN]

originally posted by skm-nursiepooh

i do appreciate the value of education...really i do...i'm just a bit peeved with some of the games that colleges & universities play in order for folks to receive their respective degrees (all disciplines). why do some programs &/or degrees require "x" amount of elective courses...& others require "y" amount? i'm not speaking of the basic english, college level math, sciences including social sciences....i'm speaking of taking stuff like swimming or aerobics classes for pe (which some h.s. have dropped as a requirement for graduation) or taking floral arranging for example. some colleges & universities have varying standards as to how many credits each of these type of elective classes are worth....some schools will give one credit for a p.e. class...others will give three credits. should the p.e. class weigh as much as a major class? what happens to the student who physically can't pass a p.e. class? what happens if a student is terrible at arranging flowers? what...should they not graduate because they lack one to three credits for p.e....or they lack creativity? these examples i know are exteme...but i personally know some folks whom had their gpa knocked down because they received a c- in a p.e. course. i mean...shouldn't this be about academia & what one learn?

cheers!

moe [/b]

moe, i didn't have to take a pe class either. i think it all depends on the philosophy of the college you are attending. for my first degree i went to a very small liberal arts college, so i knew going in that i would have to take a lot of courses that weren't related to my major. but, that 's the kind of college that i wanted to attend. a lot of larger universities are more focused on taking courses in your major and less on gen. ed requirements. private colleges like the one i attended do not receive public funding at all, so they can make any requirements they want or have a course be worth however many credits they think it should be. i can see how this would be really annoying to some people but i loved it there for the most part. i was bothered though by the fact that my o-chem class was worth the same credits that my lit. class was, so i can definitely see your point here. ccu rn, my easiest class was a freshman seminar too.

[Lausana]

Originally posted by nurs2b

YAWN!!

:rotfl:

[MishlB]

Originally posted by EmeraldNYL

Moe, I didn't have to take a PE class either. I think it all depends on the philosophy of the college you are attending.

The philosophy of the college???? Try...it's all about the benjamins, cash, the all-mighty dollar. Period.

[EmeraldNYL, BSN, RN]

Mishl, I had to pay the same tuition regardless of if I took a PE class or not. I went full-time so I paid a flat rate for tuition-- it all cost the same if I took 12, 16, or 20 credits a semester. Some people chose to go to school on a part-time basis, and then they pay for individual credits, not a flat rate.

[fab4fan]

Originally posted by Susy K

My husband took a meterology course (again, a GE requirement) and knows enough about weather systems that you can ask him and get a real answer.

Susy:

Ask your hubby if we in SE PA are in for a major snowstorm this weekend...LOL!