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Dear Nursing Instructor,
I want to remind you that at some point in your life you were in my shoes. Remember your first day of class? You were nervous, scared, and maybe wondering "Am I really made for nursing?"
You were handed a syllabus, and quickly went to work planning your schedule for the days to come. The thought of all the chapters you need to read, and understand. "How am I going to process all of this," you thought?
Maybe nursing was a breeze for you. Maybe you failed out and had to give it another try. A year or two later there you are walking across the stage in your nursing uniform holding your candle in remembrance of the mother of nursing Florence Nightingale. Remember how excited you were to get pinned. Oh the tears of joys that you finally made it!
Years have now passed by, and you have decided to become a nurse educator. However you forgot some things. What it is like to be a student. Some students are new to the health field; others are here looking for a second career, or a better life for their family. We all come from different walks of life.
Yes we know and may have heard all the horror stories of nursing. Does nursing school really have to be a horror story? Do you have to yell at your new nursing students on the first day? Is it appropriate to tell your students your not cut out for this? Do you as an instructor have to meet a quota every semester on who you can weed out?
I am a student here to learn. Yes, sometimes some students make it all the way through there preq's thinking "I can fly straight through nursing with no problem." However, some of us are not like that. We want to learn! We want what you have: a state board license!
We have sacrificed our lives and loved ones just to make it to the end of the program. However, some of us don't make it through the first few semesters. As students we do take the blame for our faults and short comings. I know I do. However being manipulated, taunted, yelled at, curse at, and treated like a nobody is not what I signed up for.
Let me give you an example of what some instructors have done in my presence. I had a class mate whose period came on during our lab at the school. We are told that while we are in clinical lab we are not allowed to go to the bathroom, only when we are given break.
She fell ill and told the instructors what was going on. In her defense, she has periods that come when they want, 2 times a month maybe once every 3 months. Nevertheless, she informed said professors on what was going, and got permission to leave the class. She had a mess on her clothes which caused her to leave the class for a second time in 30 mins. She was withdrawn by the Dean because she should have had a Dr.'s note.
I had a similar situation. I heavy a menstruation (due to Essure) sometimes as well, and in my first semester I had an accident as well my clothes. I had to sit for 30 minutes thank goodness before I could leave. All because of that stupid rule. I was embarrassed some, but hey we're all nursing students right. Thank God I lived 5 mins away from school.
My point is: is it really that serious not to have your class interrupted because of an emergency? If that is not an excuse. Please be sympathetic towards your students if deemed necessary, ie. student who found out her father had a heart attack, and is at the hospital fighting for his life. You have now put this student in the position to choose her class time and not risk being dropped from her class, or her dying father. Did you have any unusual emergencies as a student?
As a student we are held responsible for actions. We look to you for guidance and a great learning experience. Why are you so mean? Do you have to eat your young?
Now, now, I'm going to get a lot of comments on how nursing is to be taken seriously. "We have patient lives in our hands". I get that. I have 7 years of healthcare background in a very busy trauma one hospital. I know how stressful nursing can get and how overworked some nurses are, but I'm talking about teaching here. Teaching does not have to be so cruel and intimidating. I'm not saying you have to hold our hands and talk softly, and give us a high five for remembering small or big details. Treat me like a student who wants to learn what you are willing to give.
I just want you ask my instructor, the one I look to for educational needs, to remember what it was like when you were in our shoes.
Respectfully Submitted,
Fearless_Leader
P.S. For the Instructors who do care for their students, and do want them to succeed, we appreciate all you do.
Like it or not, your fellow nurses, including those in supervisory roles who make hiring/firing decisions, may be judging you here based on poor sentence structure, bad grammar, continued misspellings (yes, auto correct and fast fingers account for some of these, but REPEATED spelling mistakes leads one to believe that the writer truly doesn't know) and lack of a basic understanding of writing. Your written word is ALL any of us have to go on here, if you're sloppy here, it would possibly lead one to believe that you're sloppy in everything you do, and as a nurse, that's just scary.
Do people know who I am on here? No they don't. We are actually encouraged to not put our profile picture up correct? Your wrong on that one. Your thinking LinkedIn! That is funny.
Where my grammar and sentence structure matters, I'm great! When it doesn't (HERE) I am much more relaxed. You all should try it. It's ok, I know better than to judge peoples writing on forums like this. DUH!
Time to wrap this up!
Time to go pick on someone else now.
I consider myself a relaxed person too. All I'm saying is that the fluency with which one speaks English is usually a factor others consider when determining how credible that person is. By using poor grammar and/or spelling, you are negatively affecting their perception of you. You can say you don't care and that it doesn't matter to you, but then you also have to accept that other posters will judge you based on it.
oh, and on the 'roflmao' vs smiley' thing? I'm an OLD internet user (like early 90s kind of old, LOL) and we didn't HAVE 'smiley faces'. We had just the text shorthand, just the acronyms, and they really DID stand for exactly what was spelled out (but no one would take the time, naturally).Twenty-five years ago, if I typed ROFLMAO I really meant "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off"! Or sometimes the more sedate ROTFL. No smiley to be had. We hadn't yet found emoticons (gasp! PRE-emoticon days!!). There WAS no smiley to be inserted, pre-programmed or otherwise. HTML was a newborn baby.
We also had LMAO, LOL (that was Laughing Out Loud, NOT a smiley giving a chuckle), and CWL (Crying from Laughing). Then there's probably my all-time favorite: FOMCROTFLMAO (Falling Off My Chair, Rolling On The Floor, Laughing My ASS Off). Whew, that one was only used with something so insanely funny or ridiculous you just had to use ALL the letters!
I'm with ya on that. But you missed my favorites: "... PIMD," for "peeing in my Depends" and "... MCOMN," for "milk coming out of my nose."
As for bad grammar, I must confess that when I read the following I thought it was a total put-on. I'm not 100% sure it's not, even now. So I corrected it.
Many will downplay abuse when they see it too. Question? Does it make you feel superior when you correct people's grammar? Do you feel better when your writing is above average and so intelligent-sounding?If you do, maybe you should look into why you do that. If not, you're ok.
Some people have dyslexia, or can't spell. Did you know these same people have very high IQs? Grammar, spelling, and writing are not their gifts. Their gifts you can't learn. Steven Spielberg is dyslexic and writes terribly. (What's the source of this information?) Albert Einstein too (Not so, he wrote quite persuasively). We all know how brilliant he was. I could write a whole page of amazing people who can't write well. While you're making sure your grammar is correct during documentation, the dyslexic is in a room calling a code because his intuition told him there was something not right about his patient (I can assure you that grammar has nothing whatsoever to do with the ability to be vigilant and use critical thinking-- you seem to be asserting that only dyslexics are observant). People's gifts come in many forms. I am an artist. That is one of my gifts. When I see others create their art, I do not go around and tell them it's wrong. It is not their gift. I wouldn't do that. That would be embarrassing for that person. Your gift is obviously grammar (No, grammar is not an inborn talent. You have to learn it, and care to put the effort into doing so.). Before you correct me on the difference of art and grammar being completely different. (apples and oranges) don't get too hung up on that. Just an example. It's early so maybe not the most brilliant one. You were getting ready to do a whole page of how art is different than grammar, huh? That was supposed to be a little funny. Here is my point in case you missed it. Some people are good at different things and that is ok. Unless you are my Professor, it shouldn't really matter to you.
Sorry, just couldn't resist. Whether you like it or not, your written work is how others see you professionally. They don't (and won't) have the benefit of in-person conversation with you in a social setting. I have known people to be shocked and embarrassed to learn that. It's not always their fault that nobody cared enough to teach them when they were younger.
However, rather than go on and on about how somebody else is brilliant despite having poor writing skills, making the argument that they, too, are brilliant as evidenced by their own lousy writing, the more successful ones go get help and learn how to present themselves more professionally. Poor grammar and writing isn't an option in professional settings. Those who want to advance or be taken seriously ignore that at their peril.
It's like having table manners, in a way. You don't have to like it. You can think it's snobby. You can point to someone famous whose table manners are atrocious. You can say it doesn't really matter- it's nutrition that counts, not how it gets into the alimentary tract. You can say you don't have a gift for it but you have other gifts. Fine. But knowing that some people will see you at table at, say, a job interview and decide you won't cut it--- would that change your mind? Yes? OK, then. You just have to recognize its reality--- and then, if you choose, to do something about it.
Agreed. The OP hasn't been back to the thread since the 24th, but has been on AN since then. I think it's safe to say the thread is dead.
I don't know if you guys a referring to me. However yes I have been AN. If you want to know why I haven't responded to OP. I do not have the time to go back and forth to read every post. However I have been lurking:sneaky:. Nevertheless this thread won't die. Sorry.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I feel this is a thread that will go on forever. I well say this though; I know that I should have elaborated more on important issues. I don't regret anything I have said so far. Therefore, when I do have the time to elaborate I will gladly do so. On the other hand, feel free to comment the way you like. As long as your not attacking me or any other member.
Agreed. The OP hasn't been back to the thread since the 24th, but has been on AN since then. I think it's safe to say the thread is dead.I don't know if you guys a referring to me. However yes I have been AN. If you want to know why I haven't responded to OP. I do not have the time to go back and forth to read every post. However I have been lurking:sneaky:. Nevertheless this thread won't die. Sorry.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I feel this is a thread that will go on forever. I well say this though; I know that I should have elaborated more on important issues. I don't regret anything I have said so far. Therefore, when I do have the time to elaborate I will gladly do so. On the other hand, feel free to comment the way you like. As long as your not attacking me or any other member.
Yes, they are referring to you; "OP" stands for either "Original Poster" or "Original Post". In this case....you :)
Yes, they are referring to you; "OP" stands for either "Original Poster" or "Original Post". In this case....you :)
I always wondered if the P meant "poster" or just "post." Apparently either. If nothing else, this threat taught me some of the approved (and maybe not approved ) abbreviations on AN.
MODERATOR NOTE:
I have been sick (I am on the recovery) so I have missed out.
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Second this thread is about nursing insttructors being mean and is a personal statement/feeling from the OP.
While crying NETY (nurses eat their young) is like nails on a chaulkboard (or whiteboard for the younger generation) we need to be respectful of each other and of the OP's opinion.
I'm back....Let's stick to topic.
I always wondered if the P meant "poster" or just "post." Apparently either. If nothing else, this threat taught me some of the approved (and maybe not approved) abbreviations on AN.
LOL, here's where checking spelling is a good idea! Pretty sure you didn't feel threatened :)
As for abbreviations, OP is one that has been commonly used for a long time on many message boards (not just AN). There was a time when I could just about write an entir post in acronym form, but then that's just as bad as people who insist on using text-speak on the forums!
Greetings, Fearless Leader:alien:! On behalf of some of the posters I would like to apologize to you. This thread has taken a new direction and is no longer about the topic at hand. As for the topic, I think I can see what you are getting at. Correct me if I am mistaken.As a former nursing student who has taken a new direction, I will offer you some advice because I don't want you and other students to make the same mistakes I did. If you know that your nursing program is effective in helping you prepare for the NCLEX, then play their game:specs: the best way you can; however, you should continue to use your common sense as you have. If your program is dismissing students for visiting a dying relative, who will never be replaced, then it is not worth it. Death and sickness do not wait. I can GUARANTEE that if your dean or one of your instructors suffered a loss they would be absent from at least one day of lecture or clinical. Life is unpredictable and you only live it once:cry:. There are also other "symptoms":grumpy: of a bad nursing program. If the tests or test materials are thrown together and the textbooks are useless, then leave; students passing ATIs but failing classroom tests is a sign. If you and your fellow classmates receive "You should be thankful for your instructors" speeches, then leave. Most importantly, have a "Plan B" if you are targeted by an instructor; this helped my confidence and it ultimately saved me. You should always have skills in other areas when you pursue programs or careers that require time, money, and your dedication. ALWAYS have your hand in another pot
. You should continue with your plans of becoming a nurse if it is what you want, but it doesn't hurt to "shop" for other nursing programs (or other careers) if you have doubts.
Well, I wish you luck. I hope to have a positive influence with this post because I wouldn't know what to do if my advice ruined your life
! As for the period issues:drowning:, I don't know what to say other than I have sympathy for those with menstrual complications or fibroids. Healthcare is expensive (especially for students) and there may be a couple (or many) "accidents" before health issues can be assessed. Do we look like millionaires or something?
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Thank You I appreciate that.
Now that I care to give a little of my time to this thread I want to say WOW!!!!! This thread took a turn headed straight into fire. It was not my intent for that to happen number one. Number two while reading some of the comments I wonder how some of you treat your patients a total stranger the first time you meet them. Oh because it's your job to be nice and compared to some woman behind the computer with period issues, and hurt feelings so I can bash her and her issues. Trust me I was not offended at all because I learned to not get irate with someone behind a computer. What's good about AN is that if I feel that someone is attacking me. I just go and click on their threads and posts to see their attitudes when posting. That way I can get a little feel is the person is a . Laughing my butt off.
"Let's say you are in the middle of a code-are you going to stop chest compressions because you got your PERIOD? Just saying"
When I posted that comment it wasn't about me but a fellow classmate. However I had an issue where I had an accident as well. Wasn't planning on having that on my agenda that day. I used that issue to explain how we could not get bathroom breaks when needed. As a matter of fact we went as group when the professor let us. 40 Students at one time and you only had 5 mins. I'm done with this issue and moving on. I won't talk about it anymore.
"Speaking as a current nursing student, we kind of contribute to making Instructors feel this anger and impatience towards us, why you ask"?
Example, my class today:
1. Class starts at 9.
0900- 8/55 of us are there, seated and ready to go.
0901-1015- 43 trickle in, coffee in hand, tape recorders placed, making noise, batteries going off, digging in their bags, one standing in front of the instructor (like directly in front of him) scanning the room for a seat)
1030- let's ask questions about slides from the beginning, bc you weren't here in the beginning to ask them.
Example 2
Assignments are posted
Ya....no I saw them on the portal, but I didn't have time to write my paper, I was too stressed studying for this next test. So I didn't do it. I will turn it in eventually.
Example 3
I know our syllabus says white shoes, but I like these red nikes better and I know I was 45 minutes late to clinical today because of traffic, which I knew was going to happen (as we live in the city), and I could have left earlier but didn't. Because, you know, you guys can wait on me. Thanks!
I wonder! Seems pretty simple to me!
I agree totally. I don't have those kind of issues. I respect my professors. I am on time. I don't ask silly questions. I am prepared to learn. I am not that student who challenges my professor ( the know all because I have some medical background or I just want to make myself stand out). As a matter of fact because of my medical background in the lab my professor would have me to help students because he knew I knew what to do. Basic stuff patient transfer, make beds open closed, Manual B/P's etc.
Again I do not think all Nursing Professors are rude or Nurses. That was not my intent of this thread to bash Instructors.
I'm not going to address every remark on here and I'm glad the Moderator was out. (Not that I wanted you to be sick) but at least some of us was able to see other posters leopard spots.
Happy Nursing
tjenn999
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Dead thread for sure!!
Typing on iphone! Really guys? I think everyone knows this is not formal! If you didn't take me seriously, you wouldn't be responding at all. I think I've triggered people. Only thing you have on me is my grammar and poor sentence structure I've done on my iphone. I did get the new bigger version iphone, but still hard to type on here. I wonder if there is an app for that?
Ok, that was cute! No?