I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
NYPD qualifies every 6 months. They shoot 50 rounds at a stationary target. 5 at 25 yards, 15 at 15 yards, 30 at 7 yards. You need to shoot a 75 to pass. That means you can miss 12 shots. So if you miss all 5 shots at 25 yards, you can miss 7 shots at 15 yards, and you still pass.
Why are you under the impression that all policeman are experts in marksmanship?
What are the cc requirements for training? Is there a minimum score to to pass training? Are there mandatory recert requirements or just a single training class & that's it forever?
I don't doubt that some carriers are highly trained & experienced but are you implying that is the case for most carriers? I would tend to doubt that.
NYPD qualifies every 6 months. They shoot 50 rounds at a stationary target. 5 at 25 yards, 15 at 15 yards, 30 at 7 yards. You need to shoot a 75 to pass. That means you can miss 12 shots. So if you miss all 5 shots at 25 yards, you can miss 7 shots at 15 yards, and you still pass.
Why are you under the impression that all policeman are experts in marksmanship?
Who's talking about policemen?
I'm talking about concealed carry by health caregivers.
Look - I'm not stupid and I've been thinking about this a long time. I have no doubt that there are many shooters who are perfectly capable of winning a gunfight without undue collateral damage.
What I do doubt is that meeting the requirements for a cc permit automatically confers that capability.
Nor can I think of anything that would ensure that a given caregiver actually has that capability. (Your own post would tend to reinforce that doubt.) Until there is, I cannot support concealed carry in a caregiving situation.
Im not sure i would carry into the hospital even if i was allowed to do so. If i didnt wear scrub maybe...
Ive carried for a lot of years both professionally and personally...i only unholstered a few times and that was for work.( many moons before i became a Nurse lol) Never had to pull the trigger though thankfully
Come on..... look at the statistics Americans and their love of guns (sense of insecurity obviously) cause untold damage to hundreds of lives of citizens cut short in their prime and yet you spend seven lines in relating to me that it's quite okay... and you call me 'ignorant' put away you guns and live life without them - very easy you know
Come on..... look at the statistics Americans and their love of guns (sense of insecurity obviously) cause untold damage to hundreds of lives of citizens cut short in their prime and yet you spend seven lines in relating to me that it's quite okay... and you call me 'ignorant' put away you guns and live life without them - very easy you know
The inability to express your opinion without being insulting or pejorative really says a lot about the foundation of your argument.
I suspect you live in another country.
Firearms have a very deep and meaningful history in the United States and is in a very real sense, a part of our culture. Just tossing firearms away is not as easy as tossing a paper cup away.
My personal opinion is that freedom, even though it can be painful, is always the better option.
Firearm ownership however is off topic for this thread.
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What are the cc requirements for training? Is there a minimum score to to pass training? Are there mandatory recert requirements or just a single training class & that's it forever?
I don't doubt that some carriers are highly trained & experienced but are you implying that is the case for most carriers? I would tend to doubt that.
If they carry concealed you won't know. In America we have this thing called the constitution which has a second amendment that allows you to have firearms.
It doesn't allow for limitless possession of firearms, it still allows for society in general to take steps to limit the overall risk and maximize the benefit.
Specializes in E/R, Med/Surg, PCU, Mom-Baby, ICU, more.
Who's talking about policemen?
I'm talking about concealed carry by health caregivers.
Look - I'm not stupid and I've been thinking about this a long time. I have no doubt that there are many shooters who are perfectly capable of winning a gunfight without undue collateral damage.
What I do doubt is that meeting the requirements for a cc permit automatically confers that capability.
Nor can I think of anything that would ensure that a given caregiver actually has that capability. (Your own post would tend to reinforce that doubt.) Until there is, I cannot support concealed carry in a caregiving situation.
I shoot more than 100 rounds a year and I rated expert in markmanship in the military. That puts my shooting experience higher than the NYPD. Sorry if you were not able to figure out the reasoning to show actually how much the NYPD trains with firearms. Putting on a badge does not make you a crack shot and neither does hitting a total of 75 or better with 100 rounds on a stationary gun range per year. In addition you never did tell us how you circumvented the average police emergency response time of 10 minutes. Did you find a way to keep a cop in your pocket? ;-)
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I shoot more than 100 rounds a year and I rated expert in markmanship in the military. That puts my shooting experience higher than the NYPD. Sorry if you were not able to figure out the reasoning to show actually how much the NYPD trains with firearms. Putting on a badge does not make you a crack shot and neither does hitting a total of 75 or better with 100 rounds on a stationary gun range per year. In addition you never did tell us how you circumvented the average police emergency response time of 10 minutes. Did you find a way to keep a cop in your pocket? ;-)
That doesn't mean the average Joe with a CC permit does the same. I'll take my chances with the security guards at my facility who do have required proficiency tests over a nurse who happens to be carrying on duty against facility policy.
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That doesn't mean the average Joe with a CC permit does the same. I'll take my chances with the security guards at my facility who do have required proficiency tests over a nurse who happens to be carrying on duty against facility policy.
In order to carry weapons as a security guard in California you to go through 14 hours of gun training!
Less then 2% of criminals get their guns from gun shows.
The 2% figure comes from a Cato Institute that misstated a finding from another study. The study they were referring to stated that 2% of criminals got their guns from FFL sponsored gun shows, which is surprising that it's that high since FFLs are the only sellers required to conduct a background check. Not all gun shows are sponsored by an FFL, the majority in my area are just gun swap meets, no background checks are legally required for any gun purchased there. And the general argument for universal background checks doesn't actually pertain to gun shows, it's all the various ways of buying a gun while being able to avoid a background check, mainly internet sites like armslist.com. The actual number of gun purchases where no background check is legally required ranges from about 30% to 40%, depending on the source.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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What are the cc requirements for training? Is there a minimum score to to pass training? Are there mandatory recert requirements or just a single training class & that's it forever?
I don't doubt that some carriers are highly trained & experienced but are you implying that is the case for most carriers? I would tend to doubt that.