I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
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That doesn't mean the average Joe with a CC permit does the same. I'll take my chances with the security guards at my facility who do have required proficiency tests over a nurse who happens to be carrying on duty against facility policy.
To get a concealed carry permit in California you need to take a 16-24 hour gun course.
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The 2% figure comes from a Cato Institute that misstated a finding from another study. The study they were referring to stated that 2% of criminals got their guns from FFL sponsored gun shows, which is surprising that it's that high since FFLs are the only sellers required to conduct a background check. Not all gun shows are sponsored by an FFL, the majority in my area are just gun swap meets, no background checks are legally required for any gun purchased there. And the general argument for universal background checks doesn't actually pertain to gun shows, it's all the various ways of buying a gun while being able to avoid a background check, mainly internet sites like armslist.com. The actual number of gun purchases where no background check is legally required ranges from about 30% to 40%, depending on the source.
There is no such thing as a FFL sponsored gun show. FFL = Federal firearms license. BTW the biggest gun show sponsor is NBC. Go ahead and google it if you don't believe me.
There is no such thing as a FFL sponsored gun show. FFL = Federal firearms license. BTW the biggest gun show sponsor is NBC. Go ahead and google it if you don't believe me.
If you prefer 'dealer with an FFL' that's fine although "FFL" is commonly used as the shorter version of referring to an dealer with an FFL. Gun shows attended by FFL dealers are actually pretty common and make up a large portion, if not the majority, of gun shows.
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If you prefer 'dealer with an FFL' that's fine although "FFL" is commonly used as the shorter version of referring to an dealer with an FFL. Gun shows attended by FFL dealers are actually pretty common and make up a large portion, if not the majority, of gun shows.
Gun shows consist of multiple dealers hence the term "gun show". Some have an FFL and some don't. Show promoters charge vendors fees for display tables (from $20 to $145) and booths (from $200 to $400) and charge admission fees (from $5 to $50) for the public.
Gun shows consist of multiple dealers hence the term "gun show". Some have an FFL and some don't. Show promoters charge vendors fees for display tables (from $20 to $145) and booths (from $200 to $400) and charge admission fees (from $5 to $50) for the public.
Yes, gun shows can include vendors required to conduct background checks and others that are not. If someone can't pass a background check, would they go go to an FFL table or a private vendor table? Or maybe just shop for a gun on the internet like I and many others do, in which case they won't be subject to a background check. This is why there is a push to close the easy avoidance of background checks in obtaining a gun.
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Yes, gun shows can include vendors required to conduct background checks and others that are not. If someone can't pass a background check, would they go go to an FFL table or a private vendor table? Or maybe just shop for a gun on the internet like I and many others do, in which case they won't be subject to a background check. This is why there is a push to close the easy avoidance of background checks in obtaining a gun.
If you buy on the internet you have to have the gun transfered to a FFL first unless it is a private seller who sells less than 5 guns a year. Of course a private seller can take your money and run, sell you a broken gun, or sell you a gun with a homicide attached to it. Not very wise buying guns off of a private party you don't know on the internet.
If you are a criminal why even go to a gun show? ALL sellers are required to have a bill of sale so there is a paper trail .
If you buy on the internet you have to have the gun transfered to a FFL first unless it is a private seller who sells less than 5 guns a year. Of course a private seller can take your money and run, sell you a broken gun, or sell you a gun with a homicide attached to it. Not very wise buying guns off of a private party you don't know on the internet.
If you are a criminal why even go to a gun show? ALL sellers are required to have a bill of sale so there is a paper trail .
Except where universal background checks are the law, private sellers don't have to conduct a background check, which once again is the point. Currently on armslist.com alone there are more than 50,000 firearms available from private sellers. Buying things from private parties on the internet is actually pretty common, despite the risk of a scam, although if you're a criminal trying to get a gun that probably isn't your biggest concern. If it's not particularly difficult to obtain a gun without a background check, it's not all that helpful that some transfers do require it, yet you seem to be arguing that since some transfers do require a background check we shouldn't be concerned that avoiding them is pretty easy.
I shoot more than 100 rounds a year and I rated expert in markmanship in the military. That puts my shooting experience higher than the NYPD. Sorry if you were not able to figure out the reasoning to show actually how much the NYPD trains with firearms. Putting on a badge does not make you a crack shot and neither does hitting a total of 75 or better with 100 rounds on a stationary gun range per year. In addition you never did tell us how you circumvented the average police emergency response time of 10 minutes. Did you find a way to keep a cop in your pocket? ;-)
Is this little dominance display supposed to convince me that cc by health caregivers is even remotely a good idea? As it happens, I understand your posts just fine. I just find them mostly irrelevant.
I don't automatically assume that any shooter has the skill or judgement to function effectively in a crisis, let alone one who feels the need to imply that I'm stupid just because I disagree with him.
That particular silencing maneuver doesn't really work on me. I'm gratified to see that it seems to be losing it's effectiveness on others, as well.
Meanwhile, you seem fixated on some kind of competition with cops ... maybe you should be discussing your issues with them.
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Except where universal background checks are the law, private sellers don't have to conduct a background check, which once again is the point. Currently on armslist.com alone there are more than 50,000 firearms available from private sellers. Buying things from private parties on the internet is actually pretty common, despite the risk of a scam, although if you're a criminal trying to get a gun that probably isn't your biggest concern. If it's not particularly difficult to obtain a gun without a background check, it's not all that helpful that some transfers do require it, yet you seem to be arguing that since some transfers do require a background check we shouldn't be concerned that avoiding them is pretty easy.
Very easy to rip off an prospective illegal buyer of guns because they surely will not call the police because you ripped them off. While their are some private sales going on at the site you mentioned there are quite a lot of FFL dealers there.
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Is this little dominance display supposed to convince me that cc by health caregivers is even remotely a good idea? As it happens, I understood your posts just fine. I just find them mostly irrelevant.
I don't automatically assume that any shooter has the skill or judgement to function effectively in a crisis, let alone one who feels the need to imply that I'm stupid just because I disagree with him.
That particular silencing maneuver doesn't really work on me. I'm gratified to see that it seems to be losing it's effectiveness on others, as well.
Meanwhile, you seem fixated on some kind of competition with cops ... maybe you should be discussing your issues with them.
Tell us how the 14 hour weapon training that armed security guards in California receive superior to the 16-24 hours weapon training a CCW holder in California gets.
Next tell us why you think putting a badge on and shooting 100 rounds a year while missing up to 25 of those rounds turns you into an excellent shooter.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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To get a concealed carry permit in California you need to take a 16-24 hour gun course.
California Concealed Carry Permit Information
Having a hard time wondering why people trust security guards with 14 hour courses more than a CCW holder who has 16-24 hour courses