Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

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There is allot of discussion on news media bias. I thought I would start a topic dedicated to this. I find the best way to gather information of any topic is to read various sources of different political leanings. 

To start the conversation, I'll submitt this news story. 

A headline from Fox News and one from MDNSBC. Note the different headlines and contents. 

https://www.MSN.com/en-gb/news/world/doctor-struck-by-car-while-biking-before-driver-got-out-and-stabbed-him-to-death-police-say/ar-AA175gIR?li=BBoPWjQ

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-accused-stabbing-california-doctor-death-spoke-white-privilege-during-attack-witness-says

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Seems odd that a user so invested in combing media for evidence should so drastically misrepresent Sen. Robert Byrd.

As far as trump is concerned, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hangs out with known ducks, it sure ain't a bunny rabbit.

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heron said:

Seems odd that a user so invested in combing media for evidence should so drastically misrepresent Sen. Robert Byrd.

As far as trump is concerned, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hangs out with known ducks, it sure ain't a bunny rabbit.

How did I misrepresent him? I thought I provided a link from  Reuters. Look like I didn't. My apologies 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-byrd-eulogy-biden-kkk-grand/fact-checkrobert-byrdeulogized-by-joe-bidenat-funeralwas-notkkkgrandwizard-idUSKBN26S2EE

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Byrd was not a grand wizard of the Klan. He was, however, a former organizer and member of the KKK. A Washington Post article reviewing Byrd's memoir......." 

Did I say anything to the contrary? 

If you are a credible journalists you need to provide info as to what is a duck" How do they walk like a duck? How do they hang around other ducks and if the duck knows the ducks are actually ducks. This bias reported peice fail to provide evidence that Trump knew who this person was, if he knew he was coming and if Trump is in agreement with the person's ideology. 

It failed to do so. So yes, I do tend to look for evidence when reading any media. Especially when making egregious allegations. 

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I'm not going to play dueling citations with you. When reading your posts, I remembered hearing about Sen. Byrd back in the day. Yes, he was a member of the KKK for a time. He also fought against Civil Rights and the voting rights acts, too. But your characterization did not jibe with my memories of the time. It just isn't the whole story. Short biographies are readily accessed online - go see for yourself.

It's a great example of what I think of as the gerrymandering of history and context: edit out anything that might change a given narrative, especially when the disappeared info actually disproves that narrative.

 

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Roitrn said:

And the media did not provide credible evidence that Trump is a "white supremacist", agrees with them or Ye. They can speculate and give their opinion as you did. Integrity would be to deliver information factually and without using manipulative media tactics.  Allow people to decide for themselves. As well as the  Trump Maga-phobes in the Democrat party. 

If Biden can give a eulogy to a proven former KKK member that is well known and documented, and not have guilt by association. Unless someone can provide credible evidence that he aligns with the ideology. Who's to say this former KKK member wasn't using black people to forward his racist agenda as well? 

Again, I am discussing the media story not if Trump is a white supremacist. It's obvious that you think he is and your distain for him is well noted. 

I imagine you will not be voting for him in 2024. Some inevitably will. I find it that more people will take notice of the bias in media and seek their own opinions this time arround. I'm unsure if some media is capable of delivering non bias information about Trump. If the people believe the same as you then he will not be in office again. 

Ye , who has publically acknowledged his metal health deficit is just that. A person who is very publicly and sadly exhibiting symptoms of mental illness. (Does not give an excuse for antisemitic comments). 

https://nypost.com/article/kanye-west-mental-illness-bipolar-disorder/

https://www.thecut.com/2022/02/kanye-west-bipolar-disorder.html#:~:text=Kanye%2C who is now legally,tweeting and performing through them

"The Cut" t article doesn't specify where he was diagnosed bi-polar but this could be do to privacy laws. However his observable behavior provides some credible evidence through his behavior. 

The media story about Trump having dinner with Fuentes didn't need to prove that Trump is a white supremacist or that he embraces that ideology.  It does indicate that Trump was apparently impressed by Fuentes. The readers get to make their own choices about whether Trump is a racist.  He has quite a history of casually using racist tropes and using racist language to influence our thinking and opinions. But the story was about the dinner and who was present with the former president for what purpose. 

 Is it biased to identify Fuentes as a white supremacist?  

It's not clear if someone inclined to vote again for Trump can read any unflattering articles about Trump without dismissing them as overly biased. 

When, how or by whom Ye was diagnosed is really irrelevant to how the media addressed the former president hosting the two men at his resort/home for dinner last November...IMV.  

It's unlikely Trump will ever get enough votes to win a presidential election.  He has never won the popular vote.  Trump is increasingly unpopular in the general population. He is popular within a sizeable subset of republican voters and that will make it difficult for another republican to win a primary battle against him. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

The media story about Trump having dinner with Fuentes didn't need to prove that Trump is a white supremacist or that he embraces that ideology.  It does indicate that Trump was apparently impressed by Fuentes. The readers get to make their own choices about whether Trump is a racist.  He has quite a history of casually using racist tropes and using racist language to influence our thinking and opinions. But the story was about the dinner and who was present with the former president for what purpose. 

 Is it biased to identify Fuentes as a white supremacist?  

It's not clear if someone inclined to vote again for Trump can read any unflattering articles about Trump without dismissing them as overly biased. 

When, how or by whom Ye was diagnosed is really irrelevant to how the media addressed the former president hosting the two men at his resort/home for dinner last November...IMV.  

It's unlikely Trump will ever get enough votes to win a presidential election.  He has never won the popular vote.  Trump is increasingly unpopular in the general population. He is popular within a sizeable subset of republican voters and that will make it difficult for another republican to win a primary battle against him. 

Trump has already stated he didn't even know Fuentes was coming, nor knew him, and Kanye invited him at the last minute and asked if he could sit at Trumps table. So yeah maybe he should have been vetted but that is not racism. What we do know is that the MSM has been very busy (since Trump first announced his 2016 run) labeling everything about him and Republicans racist, seriously overdone. What we also know is that Biden and the Dems have a long history of racism that continues to this day, evidenced by both their words and actions (ie policies). 
 

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-08-20-joe-bidens-six-decades-of-racism/

 

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nursej22 said:

I think I stated earlier that I thought ProPublica does an excellent job of reporting. AP and Reuters seem to be fairly unbiased. I think some of the reporters from the New York Times and the Washington Post do some good investigative work, mostly because they seek out many sources, although I think the editors and the headline writers lean toward the sensationalistic. Journalists are human, and will always have some unconscious bias. I think as consumers of journalism it is incumbent on ourselves to be aware of confirmation bias.

For instance, I have never been a fan of Mr. Trump, going to back to his stint as a reality show personality. So if a negative story appears, I want to believe it. But I will look at other sources, including his own tweets and truths to see if there is more to the story. I will watch videos of his rally appearances and listen to what he has to say, not just rely on what media reports. 

I would agree with most of what you say although I think AP does lean a little left. I was never a fan of Trump (as a person) either but I thought he was the right man for the job. As I see the job Biden is doing and the current state of the Country I stand by that decision. I liken it to a MD with a bad bed side manner but who is an good MD who can do the job well. I can overlook the bad bedside manner because the outcome is more important. 
I think it is important to know your bias and be able to recognize bias reporting as well but I am not sure some people even know to look or know how to look. And like I said before we shouldn't have to, but unfortunately that is where we are. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

The media story about Trump having dinner with Fuentes didn't need to prove that Trump is a white supremacist or that he embraces that ideology.  It does indicate that Trump was apparently impressed by Fuentes. The readers get to make their own choices about whether Trump is a racist.  He has quite a history of casually using racist tropes and using racist language to influence our thinking and opinions. But the story was about the dinner and who was present with the former president for what purpose. 

 Is it biased to identify Fuentes as a white supremacist?  

It's not clear if someone inclined to vote again for Trump can read any unflattering articles about Trump without dismissing them as overly biased. 

When, how or by whom Ye was diagnosed is really irrelevant to how the media addressed the former president hosting the two men at his resort/home for dinner last November...IMV.  

It's unlikely Trump will ever get enough votes to win a presidential election.  He has never won the popular vote.  Trump is increasingly unpopular in the general population. He is popular within a sizeable subset of republican voters and that will make it difficult for another republican to win a primary battle against him. 

The story did not prove that he was a white supremacist either. Nor did it give any examples of racist language etc. 

The news story was used to associate Trump as a white supremist but did not provide any evidence.  This is using bias media tactics. 

I never said I was inclined to vote for Trump again. I find it almost clear that those who have deep seeded hate and resent will almost never see anything written about him as fair or factual unless it is highly critical of him. 

I seem to remember sometime around 2016 that sounded much like your last paragraph. 

It's unlikely that Biden would win again and almost certainly will not if it is not between he and Trump. 

Again, I was referring to the bias of the story, not trying to defend Trump as a white supremist. 

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Daisy4RN said:

Trump has already stated he didn't even know Fuentes was coming, nor knew him, and Kanye invited him at the last minute and asked if he could sit at Trumps table. So yeah maybe he should have been vetted but that is not racism. What we do know is that the MSM has been very busy (since Trump first announced his 2016 run) labeling everything about him and Republicans racist, seriously overdone. What we also know is that Biden and the Dems have a long history of racism that continues to this day, evidenced by both their words and actions (ie policies). 
 

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-08-20-joe-bidens-six-decades-of-racism/

 

Yep, Trump said that he didn't know Fuentes... so what? Trump also said that he didn't know Manafort or Papadopoulos or Scaramucci or Stormy Daniels, etc... this is a well known tactic for the liar.  

It's okay if you want to use your obscure media citation to to paint Biden as a racist in this thread about bias in media. It is a good example of biased media. 

What we know is that Trump had issues with racist language long before he ever decided to run for the presidency and Biden has a historically diverse administration. 

 

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Roitrn said:

The story did not prove that he was a white supremacist either. Nor did it give any examples of racist language etc. 

The news story was used to associate Trump as a white supremist but did not provide any evidence.  This is using bias media tactics. 

I never said I was inclined to vote for Trump again. I find it almost clear that those who have deep seeded hate and resent will almost never see anything written about him as fair or factual unless it is highly critical of him. 

I seem to remember sometime around 2016 that sounded much like your last paragraph. 

It's unlikely that Biden would win again and almost certainly will not if it is not between he and Trump. 

Again, I was referring to the bias of the story, not trying to defend Trump as a white supremist. 

The story doesn't need to prove that Trump is a white supremacist.  The story is about a dinner with a well known white supremacist and a mentally ill entertainer.  

The dinner itself is evidence of Trump's association with a white supremacist. 

The story about Trump's dinner with Fuentes is factual... the only detail you've criticized is the description of Fuentes as a white supremacist.  Is there some other factual detail that you disagree with? 

You keep saying the story is biased because they used an accurate descriptor which is important to the story. I don't agree.  You are welcome to your opinion but I think that Fuentes racist ideology is exactly why his dinner with Trump is notable. It's not everyday that a former president displays such impressively bad judgement or control of his own "brand".

OK...I didn't ask if you were inclined to vote for Trump.  I referenced a generic "someone" and you associated yourself personally with that word.  

I don't see any insurmountable bias in the story.  We do read these articles through our own bias 

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Daisy4RN said:

I would agree with most of what you say although I think AP does lean a little left. I was never a fan of Trump (as a person) either but I thought he was the right man for the job. As I see the job Biden is doing and the current state of the Country I stand by that decision. I liken it to a MD with a bad bed side manner but who is an good MD who can do the job well. I can overlook the bad bedside manner because the outcome is more important. 
I think it is important to know your bias and be able to recognize bias reporting as well but I am not sure some people even know to look or know how to look. And like I said before we shouldn't have to, but unfortunately that is where we are. 

Do you think that AM talk radio out of Milwaukee has any particular bias?

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toomuchbaloney said:

Yep, Trump said that he didn't know Fuentes... so what? Trump also said that he didn't know Manafort or Papadopoulos or Scaramucci or Stormy Daniels, etc... this is a well known tactic for the liar.  

It's okay if you want to use your obscure media citation to to paint Biden as a racist in this thread about bias in media. It is a good example of biased media. 

What we know is that Trump had issues with racist language long before he ever decided to run for the presidency and Biden has a historically diverse administration. 

 

LOL, there is nothing bias about Bidens quotes which are clear, anyone can read and/or listen to them for themselves. You just keep deflecting, OK. 

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Daisy4RN said:

LOL, there is nothing bias about Bidens quotes which are clear, anyone can read and/or listen to them for themselves. You just keep deflecting, OK. 

OK... so you think Biden is a racist, I get that and you are entitled to believe what you prefer. What exactly does that have to do with the comparative reporting on Trump's dinner with the well known white supremacist and the mentally ill antisemitic entertainer? 

Bias in media reporting is the topic. 

 

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