Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

toomuchbaloney · Feb 13, 2023

Roitrn said:

My argument is with the integrity of the story. I was not defending Trump or persecuting Biden.

Perhaps your own bias is interfering with you comprehending that?

If you want to cast Trump as racist for having dinner with one, where there was no evidence provided by the writer that Trump knew who he was or that he invited him, then you can say Biden there is no evidence that Biden is a racist because he gave a eulogy to a former KKK member. This is the only comparison. Between the media I sourced. This is not my personal opinion. I didn't state my opinion.

If you want to provide evidence and prove Trump is a racist and Buden is not,have at it.

It is understood that you feel the story was not bias and that Trump is a racist. And Biden is not because he gave a eulogy to a former KKK member.

You haven't provided evidence to support your belief about the article. I comprehend that just fine.

I didn't cast Trump as a racist because he had dinner with Fuentes...I cast Trump as a racist because of his long history of racist remarks, racial discrimination in housing, and his penchant for hiring racists to work closely with him. Biden has nothing to do with your discussion of the Trump article and your suggestion that he is a racist is unrelated to the criticism of the article that you insist is the basis for this thread.

This is your thread. You are the one who made the claim that the article was a good example of bias in the press. You've shared that opinion but you haven't actually provided good examples of that unacceptable bias. I've already pointed out that identifying Fuentes as a white supremist is not hyperbole, it's not speculation and it's not fallacy. The article does associate Trump with white supremacy because Trump has associated himself with white supremacists.

If you've read the article and decided that Trump's dinner and associations don't link him to white supremacy then that's your opinion. If you've read the article and decided that it was inflammatory or inaccurate or implying things that aren't true then you should quote that language for discussion.

THAT, after all, is what you have repeatedly claimed is the basis for the thread... that the article was unacceptably biased and implying unflattering things about Trump. It's NOT about whether or not Trump is a racist... so you've said. That makes your repeated mention of Biden an irrelevant deflection. IMHO

toomuchbaloney · Feb 13, 2023

Roitrn said:

I was not familiar with Fuentes. I do not particularly pay attention to people who are racist.

Perhaps he is. Perhaps he doesn't pay attention to people like that? And there is no evidence he knew he was coming.

Whether Trump had advanced notice is irrelevant to your question of the article's bias.

Roitrn · Feb 13, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Whether Trump had advanced notice is irrelevant to your question of the article's bias.

You're right it is irrelevant. I was talking about the media bias. Not Trump. Only how the media presented it.

Roitrn · Feb 13, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

You haven't provided evidence to support your belief about the article. I comprehend that just fine.

I didn't cast Trump as a racist because he had dinner with Fuentes...I cast Trump as a racist because of his long history of racist remarks, racial discrimination in housing, and his penchant for hiring racists to work closely with him. Biden has nothing to do with your discussion of the Trump article and your suggestion that he is a racist is unrelated to the criticism of the article that you insist is the basis for this thread.

This is your thread. You are the one who made the claim that the article was a good example of bias in the press. You've shared that opinion but you haven't actually provided good examples of that unacceptable bias. I've already pointed out that identifying Fuentes as a white supremist is not hyperbole, it's not speculation and it's not fallacy. The article does associate Trump with white supremacy because Trump has associated himself with white supremacists.

If you've read the article and decided that Trump's dinner and associations don't link him to white supremacy then that's your opinion. If you've read the article and decided that it was inflammatory or inaccurate or implying things that aren't true then you should quote that language for discussion.

THAT, after all, is what you have repeatedly claimed is the basis for the thread... that the article was unacceptably biased and implying unflattering things about Trump. It's NOT about whether or not Trump is a racist... so you've said. That makes your repeated mention of Biden an irrelevant deflection. IMHO

I said it was a good example of bias. You do not need to agree.

I I did provide examples. I used quotes the very first post I made.

I think this is more about Trump than the media for you.

You disagree, got it. In your imho

There should be a thread with evidence Trump is a racist. I'm am discussing the media bias, not Trump.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 13, 2023

Roitrn said:

You're right it is irrelevant. I was talking about the media bias. Not Trump. Only how the media presented it.

Exactly. You've shared your opinion about the bias of the article. I disagree with your opinion and have asked you to provide evidence of the unacceptable bias. Identifying Fuentes as a white supremacist is not inappropriate or evidence of bias.... it's factually correct and relevant to the story.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 13, 2023

Roitrn said:

I said it was a good example of bias. You do not need to agree.

I I did provide examples. I used quotes the very first post I made.

I think this is more about Trump than the media for you.

You disagree, got it. In your imho

There should be a thread with evidence Trump is a racist. I'm am discussing the media bias, not Trump.

Again... you aren't really discussing the bias anymore. Now you are discussing what you think of my beliefs and whether or not Trump or Biden are racists...

There is already a thread about Trump. I don't think there's value in exploring the evidence of Trump's racism but you are welcome to go there if you think it's important.

Yes, unless you have other evidence of the unacceptable bias in the article I have responded to your concerns. It is clearly not fallacy to mention that the dinner guest is a well known white supremacist... as you indicated it was. That seems to be the only criticism that you had of the article or it's headline.

Roitrn · Feb 15, 2023

I find a media report such as this one to be factual and little bias.

The facts are presented and here is no, politicizing partisan wording or inflammatory language.

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/#:~:text=57 victims have been killed in Chicago in 2023.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 16, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Or the person wants to remain anonymous because they made that up... shrugs... it's unverified and not terribly believable.

Whether or not the racial demographics were reversed, Fox did run the story with the unverified and inflammatory language in the headline. I don't care to speculate how it would have been different when we have so much actual reporting that we can discuss.

I still don't understand what your point is about the reporting on the guy who choked the younger man. Are you suggesting that the race of the individuals shouldn't have been reported? Lynching comes to mind anytime a white citizen acts out their feeling that they can put their hands on black men, detain them or somehow restrain or control them simply because they think the black man may have done something inappropriate or illegal. Most residents of the USA live under the understanding that we don't have that right to treat other people that way... at least in this century.

And we didn't deserve a verbal abuser for president. It's hard to believe that anyone can't see of admit that he coorificened the culture and did encourage the ladies and gentlemen of 1/6.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 17, 2023

Roitrn said:

You're right it is irrelevant. I was talking about the media bias. Not Trump. Only how the media presented it.

How could you not know who Nick Fuentes was after reading about he and Ye attending dinner with Trump at his house? Did you just miss that story in the news? I think you asked for proof of Trump's sympathy for white supremacists and I didn't bother to respond because I was floored that no one would think otherwise. I remember when he and his father were caught not renting to Blacks in their Lefrak City apartments. He learned his values from father Fred who was a horrible human being.

Roitrn · Feb 17, 2023

subee said:

How could you not know who Nick Fuentes was after reading about he and Ye attending dinner with Trump at his house? Did you just miss that story in the news? I think you asked for proof of Trump's sympathy for white supremacists and I didn't bother to respond because I was floored that no one would think otherwise. I remember when he and his father were caught not renting to Blacks in their Lefrak City apartments. He learned his values from father Fred who was a horrible human being.

It seems that some have completely missed the point of the article due to Trump hysteria. I was not saying Trump is or is not a racist. I was discussing that the bias media piece failed to provide evidence that he is. It was the story I was discussing, NOT TRUMP

Your first sentence does not make sense. How could I not know anything about this person after I read the article? Then I posted it? That's impossible. I knew very little about him before. I learned more after. So I'm unsure of what you are trying to say here?

None the less, my point wasn't about Trump.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Feb 17, 2023

Dominion Voting Machines Lawsuit against Fox News re Election lies released tonight with some redactions..... fits right into this topic. Fox News Stars privately expressed disbelief in election fraud claims while they broadcasted Trumps "Election stolen" misinformation for fear of decreased ratings, viewers shifting to other conservative networks and fear of Trump's backlash against network..... per Fox network internal emails as part of lawsuit.

NT Times 2/16/2023

Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. 'Crazy Stuff.’

The comments, by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and others, were released as part of a defamation suit against Fox News by Dominion Voter Systems.

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Newly disclosed messages and testimony from some of the biggest stars and most senior executives at Fox News revealed that they privately expressed disbelief about President Donald J. Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him, even though the network continued to promote many of those lies on the air.

The hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, as well as others at the company, repeatedly insulted and mocked Trump advisers, including Sidney Powell and Rudolph W. Giuliani, in text messages with each other in the weeks after the election, according to a legal filing on Thursday by Dominion Voting Systems. Dominion is suing Fox for defamation in a case that poses considerable financial and reputational risk for the country's most-watched cable news network.

"Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It's insane,” Mr. Carlson wrote to Ms. Ingraham on Nov. 18, 2020.

Ms. Ingraham responded: "Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy.”

Mr. Carlson continued, "Our viewers are good people and they believe it,” he added, making clear that he did not.

The messages also show that such doubts extended to the highest levels of the Fox Corporation, with Rupert Murdoch, its chairman, calling Mr. Trump's voter fraud claims "really crazy stuff.”

On one occasion, as Mr. Murdoch watched Mr. Giuliani and Ms. Powell on television, he told Suzanne Scott, chief executive of Fox News Media, "Terrible stuff damaging everybody, I fear.”

Dominion's brief depicts Ms. Scott, whom colleagues have described as sharply attuned to the sensibilities of the Fox audience, as being well aware that Mr. Trump's claims were baseless. And when another Murdoch-owned property, The New York Post, published an editorial urging Mr. Trump to stop complaining that he had been cheated, Ms. Scott distributed it widely among her staff. Mr. Murdoch then thanked her for doing so, the brief says.

The filing, in state court in Delaware, contains the most vivid and detailed picture yet of what went on behind the scenes at Fox News and its corporate parent in the days and weeks after the 2020 election, when the conservative cable network's coverage took an abrupt turn.

What was disclosed on Thursday was not the full glimpse of Dominion's case against Fox. The 192-page filing had multiple redactions that contain more revelations about deliberations inside the network. Fox has sought to keep much of the evidence against it under seal. The New York Times is challenging the legality of those redactions in court.

Full text:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

toomuchbaloney · Feb 17, 2023

NRSKarenRN said:

Dominion Voting Machines Lawsuit against Fox News re Election lies released tonight with some redactions..... fits right into this topic. Fox News Stars privately expressed disbelief in election fraud claims while they broadcasted Trumps "Election stolen" misinformation for fear of decreased ratings, viewers shifting to other conservative networks and fear of Trump's backlash against network..... per Fox network internal emails as part of lawsuit.

NT Times 2/16/2023

Fox Stars Privately Expressed Disbelief About Election Fraud Claims. 'Crazy Stuff.’

The comments, by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and others, were released as part of a defamation suit against Fox News by Dominion Voter Systems.

Full text:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

That's a pretty good example of a media outlet using such dishonest language in it's headlines and reporting that the hosts and commentators disavow it when pressed.