Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 20, 2023

Roitrn said:

I did not say Fuentes was a supremacist or not. I did not say Trump was or not. I said the media peice failed to provide evidence that Trump knew this person was coming or who this person was. My opinion was the article was trying to insinuate Trump is a supremacist or sympathizer. I cannot quote because I no longer have access to the article as I showed you in a screen shot. Did you see it?

It would have been better if they would have included Ye's and Fuentes comments. You obviously do not agree, I obviously don't agree with you. When does it stop?

I'm not sure about the preoccupation with my "feelings". Other than to somehow try and devalue my comments as emotional and there for not rational. I imagine you think it's clever. Do you see how bias it is to demand quotes when you could not quote my comment that you claimed I made? With "im not playing that game"?

When you make the comment about crazy media etc, do you reconize that its not just what you deem "conservative, right wing media" that does this?

Do you have a grandiose sense of superiority that sets you above anyone else?

Critical thought also includes not making -pre-concieved assumptions and considering that you might be wrong.

Why do you talk about my age? You have no idea. You are making an assumption I am young.

Why won't you say that Fuentes and Kanye are evil? Don't you think that Trump inviting this pair to his house resembles Hitler inviting Goering and Goebbels over for a pot roast dinner? Isn't ignoring this dinner the same logic the Swiss bankers used to keep the gold teeth of the holocaust victims? Don't you realize that both are active anti-semites and Fuentes is a white nationalist, holocaust denying member of the incels? So, since you will neither deny or confirm that what I've said above, I can't accept that much of anything you say is rational or observant. And yes, I think you are really young. You are discovering bias in media like a kid discovering that his parents aren't perfect.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 20, 2023

Roitrn said:

I did not say Fuentes was a supremacist or not. I did not say Trump was or not. I said the media peice failed to provide evidence that Trump knew this person was coming or who this person was. My opinion was the article was trying to insinuate Trump is a supremacist or sympathizer. I cannot quote because I no longer have access to the article as I showed you in a screen shot. Did you see it?

It would have been better if they would have included Ye's and Fuentes comments. You obviously do not agree, I obviously don't agree with you. When does it stop?

I'm not sure about the preoccupation with my "feelings". Other than to somehow try and devalue my comments as emotional and there for not rational. I imagine you think it's clever. Do you see how bias it is to demand quotes when you could not quote my comment that you claimed I made? With "im not playing that game"?

When you make the comment about crazy media etc, do you reconize that its not just what you deem "conservative, right wing media" that does this?

Do you have a grandiose sense of superiority that sets you above anyone else?

Critical thought also includes not making -pre-concieved assumptions and considering that you might be wrong.

Why do you talk about my age? You have no idea. You are making an assumption I am young.

LOL

It's not necessary for you to call Fuentes a white supremacist and there's no need for the article to prove that Trump shares in their ideology. You are stuck on that thought which is an element of your bias. Your opinion about what the article tried to do or needed to do was just your bias talking. Yeah, I saw your screen shot. No matter how you can suggest the article "would have been better" this thread is about the bias and that's what you said the article was but it wasn't.

I guess maybe you can't comprehend my comments that don't actually say that only conservatives can be crazy. It must be that you don't understand in spite of my response to your repeated questions... maybe you don't understand. Because you surely wouldn't try to imply that I'm saying something that I've not said... would you? That would be rude, wouldn't it?

Are you telling me that you think that I have a sense of grandiose superiority? That seems "nice" of you. Of course, that's not a very clever way to break the TOS... your feelings about me aren't really topic here... media bias is. It would be great if you could discuss your feelings about bias rather than your feelings about me.

Have you considered that you might be wrong and that the article you made an example of us not the biased piece that you claim it is?

I'm talking about your age because I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't know the term "sniff test" unless they were young and unwilling to look things up before simply claiming ignorance of them. You've done that several times now...

Your post conveys annoyance and frustration. Is that what you intended?

heron, ASN, RN · Feb 20, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

I'm talking about your age because I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't know the term "sniff test" unless they were young and unwilling to look things up before simply claiming ignorance of them. You've done that several times now...

Not to mention scolding me for declining to assume responsibility for his/her education.

heron, ASN, RN · Feb 20, 2023

Speaking of Nick Fuentes, I'm about to revisit "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. I last read it in my late teens, so given how times have changed, it should be interesting to contrast and compare.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 20, 2023

No small undertaking, Heron. I don't know if I could read it again but it mezmerized me when I was in my late 20's. Shirer did a great job of making a huge topic very readable.

heron, ASN, RN · Feb 20, 2023

subee said:

No small undertaking, Heron. I don't know if I could read it again but it mezmerized me when I was in my late 20's. Shirer did a great job of making a huge topic very readable.

I may not finish it, but I certainly have the time since I've recently retired. I recently listened to Rachel Maddow's podcast "Ultra", recommended to me by TMB (thanks, dude) and want to get a clearer idea of the threads connecting the Fascist movement in the US with its growth in Germany.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 20, 2023

heron said:

I may not finish it, but I certainly have the time since I've recently retired. I recently listened to Rachel Maddox's podcast "Ultra", recommended to me by TMB (thanks, dude) and want to get a clearer idea of the threads connecting the Fascist movement in the US with its growth in Germany.

When you have a minute, listen to her timely historical examination of Agnew in Bag Man. It's quite good, although several years old.

The Rise and Fall is available as a free audio book on YouTube. As you are aware, I also read this book as a teen and just recently reread it. My wife listened after that, so I got a good review. Too many Americans are happily ignorant of the details surrounding the rise of that specific Nazi authoritarian and that (sometimes belligerent) ignorance has the capacity to put our nation in peril.

Along this same line, what should Americans think about MTG suggesting a "national divorce"... how should our media cover that?

heron, ASN, RN · Feb 20, 2023

I heard "Bagman" quite a while back.

At 73 years old, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I found Rise and Fall on audiobooks.

I don't follow MTG - I'll have to look up this national divorce thing.

ETA - I wonder if she thinks that the newly seceded red states would retain their federal benefits. If not - how would that new nation work financially?

There are those who think her comments are a veiled call for civil war. Not sure about that.

Meanwhile, if she's that dissatisfied, maybe she should emigrate. I hear mainland China is looking to increase its population.

ETA2: or better, yet, back to Europe.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 20, 2023

heron said:

I heard "Bagman" quite a while back.

At 73 years old, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I found Rise and Fall on audiobooks.

I don't follow MTG - I'll have to look up this national divorce thing.

ETA - I wonder if she thinks that the newly seceded red states would retain their federal benefits. If not - how would that new nation work financially?

There are those who think her comments are a veiled call for civil war. Not sure about that.

Meanwhile, if she's that dissatisfied, maybe she should emigrate. I hear mainland China is looking to increase its population.

I suspect that, like the British conservatives that wished for Brexit, MTG hasn't actually thought through that casual mention of "divorce" using either logical reasoning or critical thought. Divorce seems an easy and convenient exit plan for lots of Americans when they are uncomfortable or challenged. MTG really wants to be a power broker in DC and McCarthy is too weak and his judgement is too compromised to be an obstacle.

Speaking of McCarthy's poor judgement...

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/20/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-jan-6-riot-footage

Either McCarthy doesn't realize that Tucker is a consummate propagandist or he has a Fox style agenda to tell Fox viewers the lies they want to hear. That Fox "reporting" in the raw footage will be a real lesson in partisan bias and spin.

Roitrn · Feb 20, 2023

subee said:

If you don't know what something is. look it up. The sniff test is part of critical thinking so that would be a logic error to think that anyone was criticizing critical thinking. And going back to my "vulgarity" as you called it regarding the shape of Trump's member: we were all forced to read about this vulgarity in the national news because the majority of Americans didn't have any critical thinking skills and that was the point. He coorificened the entire political culture, and here we are. Anyone who was skeptical and spent an hour of their time researching him before they voted for him, would have to include that this is a defective human being and we should run away from him and his ilk. The evidence was overwhelming but we are an incurious nation.

Once again its not about Trump or the shape of his member. Why do you kerp bringing up his genitals? Do they not pass ypur "sniff test"?

And yes. Americans are quick to believe their chosen media without question. Hence the actual idea of the topic. However, apparently this is learned in "high school". Hypocrisy may be a helpful topic to discuss.

Roitrn · Feb 20, 2023

subee said:

Why won't you say that Fuentes and Kanye are evil? Don't you think that Trump inviting this pair to his house resembles Hitler inviting Goering and Goebbels over for a pot roast dinner? Isn't ignoring this dinner the same logic the Swiss bankers used to keep the gold teeth of the holocaust victims? Don't you realize that both are active anti-semites and Fuentes is a white nationalist, holocaust denying member of the incels? So, since you will neither deny or confirm that what I've said above, I can't accept that much of anything you say is rational or observant. And yes, I think you are really young. You are discovering bias in media like a kid discovering that his parents aren't perfect.

Really? You are going to compare Ye, Fuentes and Trump to Hitler and the Nazi regime? That can be considered antisemitic in of itself!

That is ridiculous hyperbole and sensationalist garble. Or a bad joke,

A black man accompanied by his white supremist friend to a dinner at Hitler's and his imigrant wife from Solvania home. To discuss how he a black man wants to run in a democratic presidential election with his white supremist friend to help him.

????? Right!

toomuchbaloney · Feb 20, 2023

Roitrn said:

Really? You are going to compare Ye, Fuentes and Trump to Hitler and the Nazi regime? That can be considered antisemitic in of itself!

That is ridiculous hyperbole and sensationalist garble.

You should explain how comparing one antisemitic white supremacist to another is an example of antisemitism... lest we label that content as "sensationalist garble". Talk about ridiculous hyperbole...