Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

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There is allot of discussion on news media bias. I thought I would start a topic dedicated to this. I find the best way to gather information of any topic is to read various sources of different political leanings. 

To start the conversation, I'll submitt this news story. 

A headline from Fox News and one from MDNSBC. Note the different headlines and contents. 

https://www.MSN.com/en-gb/news/world/doctor-struck-by-car-while-biking-before-driver-got-out-and-stabbed-him-to-death-police-say/ar-AA175gIR?li=BBoPWjQ

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-accused-stabbing-california-doctor-death-spoke-white-privilege-during-attack-witness-says

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Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox Corporation, once suggested that Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham could go on air and declare that Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election.

The conversations between Fox News chiefs were revealed in a 200-page filing on Thursday by Dominion Voting Systems lawyers as part of their defamation lawsuit against the network.

On January 5, 2021, Murdoch emailed Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott: "It's been suggested our prime time three should independently or together say something like 'the election is over, and Joe Biden won.'"

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Rupert Murdoch suggested Fox News hosts Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham go on air and say Joe Biden had won 2020 election, court filing says

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Daisy4RN said:

News organizations update their articles all the time, assuming they are actually trying to give accurate info (and even if that was the case here). It appears that they are not. The race of the perpetrators is not important to me. It is only relevant to this article which clearly takes a leap in including the other shooting by not merely pointing out the close proximity but by calling the previous attack racist while not including information about the current attack. As the other poster stated the article reads more about gun control and (I will add) race than giving readers an accurate description of events. 

I would agree that if the racial demographics of the people involved, it would been presented in a much different way. 

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Roitrn said:

I would agree that if the racial demographics of the people involved, it would been presented in a much different way. 

You two share a opinion that is likely based in your own bias. Or maybe you could provide some analysis of journalism that supports your view.  

The point of this thread is not to guess how something might have been written differently but to discuss examples of bias or spin in reporting, right? 

Does Fox have a first amendment right to spread lies about an election and a private company to serve a "conservative" political agenda, as they are asserting? 

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toomuchbaloney said:

You two share a opinion that is likely based in your own bias. Or maybe you could provide some analysis of journalism that supports your view.  

The point of this thread is not to guess how something might have been written differently but to discuss examples of bias or spin in reporting, right? 

Does Fox have a first amendment right to spread lies about an election and a private company to serve a "conservative" political agenda, as they are asserting? 

I didn't say my opinion was fact. And ulness you can reenact the situation at the mall entirely, it can never be know to a certainly.  I can base my opinion from my own observations. 

 

Considering you characterized the Fox News legal case as the "worst media scandal in modern history" without all the facts, I would deduce this as your opinion as well. I wouldn't expect for you to be so stringent on providing analysis for review. 

I have not reviewed the Fox case entirely so I can not say. In general terms, everyone has freedom of speech. It is yet to be determined if Fox spoke out of legal speech. I'm not sure who "they" is or what "they" are asserting. 

 

 

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Roitrn said:

I didn't say my opinion was fact. And ulness you can reenact the situation at the mall entirely, it can never be know to a certainly.  I can base my opinion from my own observations. 

 

Considering you characterized the Fox News legal case as the "worst media scandal in modern history" without all the facts, I would deduce this as your opinion as well. I wouldn't expect for you to be so stringent on providing analysis for review. 

I have not reviewed the Fox case entirely so I can not say. In general terms, everyone has freedom of speech. It is yet to be determined if Fox spoke out of legal speech. I'm not sure who "they" is or what "they" are asserting. 

 

 

Should we discuss your opinion about changed reporting based upon race of the involved... or should we discuss the bias and spin in the reporting that has been cited in this thread?  

Feel free to discuss any of the facts in this crazy case of extreme media bias. Fox news worked hard to convince their viewers that the election lies were credible and deserved consideration. The question might be, why? Why did Fox tell their viewers these lies.  They did a similar thing with vaccines, elevating all manner of "concern" about vaccines even as they mandated vaccination for their staff.  

Why?

Were they just telling their viewers what they wanted to hear? 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trump/673132/

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The Dominion filing drives home a few points. One is that there is a Fox News propaganda feedback loop: The network inflames right-wing conspiracism, but it also bows to it out of partisan commitment and commercial incentive. Another is that despite the long-standing right-wing argument that conservatives distrust mainstream media outlets because they do not tell the truth, Fox News executives and personalities understand that their own network loses traction with its audience when it fails to tell the lies that the audience wishes to hear.

Partisan commitment and commercial incentive took priority over journalism?

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toomuchbaloney said:

Should we discuss your opinion about changed reporting based upon race of the involved... or should we discuss the bias and spin in the reporting that has been cited in this thread?  

Feel free to discuss any of the facts in this crazy case of extreme media bias. Fox news worked hard to convince their viewers that the election lies were credible and deserved consideration. The question might be, why? Why did Fox tell their viewers these lies.  They did a similar thing with vaccines, elevating all manner of "concern" about vaccines even as they mandated vaccination for their staff.  

Why?

Were they just telling their viewers what they wanted to hear? 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trump/673132/

Partisan commitment and commercial incentive took priority over journalism?

Not sure. I'll wait for more information. They worked hard? That is your opinion. The case hasn't even gone to trial yet but you've already characterized it in a inflated hyperbolic way.  However it doesn't have to go to trial for many people.  People will go on mentioning this no matter the outcome. It will be used as a deflection when ever and as much as possible. 

Even if the facts come out and it isn't nearly a severe as you have already asserted, I can predict your mind is already made up as evident by your comment that, "it's the worst media scandal in modern history".  I do not see this changing regardless of what the trial outcome will be. 

 

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Roitrn said:

Not sure. I'll wait for more information. They worked hard? That is your opinion. The case hasn't even gone to trial yet but you've already characterized it in a inflated hyperbolic way.  However it doesn't have to go to trial for many people.  People will go on mentioning this no matter the outcome. It will be used as a deflection when ever and as much as possible. 

Even if the facts come out and it isn't nearly a severe as you have already asserted, I can predict your mind is already made up as evident by your comment that, "it's the worst media scandal in modern history".  I do not see this changing regardless of what the trial outcome will be. 

 

So you don't want to talk about the damning facts that are known about this case of extreme media bias... you just want to comment on your feelings about my opinion? 

Does someone here care deeply about your predictions about my opinion?  That must be why you are pursuing that off topic line of discussion... either that or you've forgotten the point of your thread. 

It's kind of funny that you consider my characterization of the scandal to be hyperbole but you cannot dispute my characterization with actual facts or evidence of some other media behavior that is more scandalous. 

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https://www.allsides.com/story/donald-trump-fox-news-anchors-did-not-believe-2020-fraud-claims-court-filing-states

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How The Media Covered It: AllSides was unable to find any original reporting on the filing from right-rated outlets. Breitbart News (Right Bias) and Washington Times (Lean Right Bias) reposted coverage from other outlets.

It will be interesting to observe how right leaning media covers this story. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

So you don't want to talk about the damning facts that are known about this case of extreme media bias... you just want to comment on your feelings about my opinion? 

Does someone here care deeply about your predictions about my opinion?  That must be why you are pursuing that off topic line of discussion... either that or you've forgotten the point of your thread. 

It's kind of funny that you consider my characterization of the scandal to be hyperbole but you cannot dispute my characterization with actual facts or evidence of some other media behavior that is more scandalous. 

That's because we don't know all the facts and evidence. Want me to make it up as I go? You can't back up your claim of it being the worst in modern history. Yet you presented it as fact. 

This doesn't reflect a interest in a discussion, it reflects the desire to mud-sling. Which is a method of media bias, interesting enough. 

I already have the opinion Fox is very  bias. If it is found that they broke the law then they should be held accountable. I tend not to come to conclusions before I know the evidence. 

 

 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.allsides.com/story/donald-trump-fox-news-anchors-did-not-believe-2020-fraud-claims-court-filing-states

It will be interesting to observe how right leaning media covers this story. 

Yes. Perhaps we can compare how both sides of the media report this? 

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This is a Allsides summary. 

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AllSides Summary

Voting-machine company Smartmatic is suing Fox News for allegedly making defamatory comments on-air about the company's products after the 2020 election. Smartmatic, along with Dominion Voting Systems, faced allegations that their software changed votes cast for former President Donald Trump to votes for President Joe Biden. This claim was disputed by both companies, and later dismissed by U.S. courts. Smartmatic's lawsuit claimed that Fox hosts Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and Jeanine Pirro, and two former Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, conspired to spread a "disinformation campaign" that the company helped rig the election. In December, Smartmatic sent Fox a letter demanding "a full and complete retraction of all false and defamatory statements and reports published by Fox News.” Fox responded by airing a short segment addressing misinformation about Smartmatic. Smartmatic's lawsuit comes after another Dominion also sued Giuliani and Powell for $1.3 billion. Fox News called the lawsuits "meritless" and says it plans to fight it in courts. The $2.7 billion suit was filed on Thursday in New York state court and is one of the largest libel suits ever issued. Outlets from the center and the right tended to focus on the details of the lawsuit. Some left-rated outlet used Dominion's claim of a "disinformation campaign" to criticize Fox News.

https://www.allsides.com/story/voting-machine-company-sues-fox-news-defamation-over-election-claims

So far we know some info that the plaintiff has submitted. We have very little info from the defendents. 

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Roitrn said:

Yes. Perhaps we can compare how both sides of the media report this? 

Currently right wing  media is not really reporting on it... according to Allsides. 

 

Roitrn said:

This is a Allsides summary. 

https://www.allsides.com/story/voting-machine-company-sues-fox-news-defamation-over-election-claims

So far we know some info that the plaintiff has submitted. We have very little info from the defendents. 

That's correct.  We know what Fox broadcast and questioned and suggested in their on air commentary and interviews and now we know some of what they were saying privately as they were confronted with the plethora of lies that were promoted as credible in their programming.  Next we get to hear their defense of spreading lies rather than telling their viewers the truth.  

I wonder if they will defend lying to Fox viewers as a matter of free speech or if they will suggest that this was all just for infotainment purposes and shouldn't be misconstrued as actual "news" or journalism. It will be interesting to watch and observe.  How will Fox try to spin these known facts? How many of their viewers will believe them anyway? 

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