Comparing how news media headlines and reports on the same story

Daisy4RN · Feb 18, 2023

heron said:

More spam. Sigh!

Recommended reading:

"Why Liberals Win the Culture Wars (even when they lose elections) The Battles That Define America from Jefferson's Heresies to Gay Marriage" by Stephen Prothero, available on Amazon and audiobooks.

I don't see how anything anyone else posted would be considered spam except what you wrote. I get enough left wing reading done just trying to decipher articles, I don't think I need to add an entire book.

toomuchbaloney said:

Imagine complaining about disingenuous behavior and personal attacks by saying that the members that you disagree with are annoying or slow learners. It's almost like you forgot that you weren't in a private chat, where that would be perfectly acceptable, and are in a thread... where It's not.

Stick to the topic or take it private. That's the TOS.

LOL there is that hypocrisy again. You just can't seem to stop yourself.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 18, 2023

Daisy4RN said:

Here is a good example of bias reporting by ABC news. They do not state the fact that bystander shot the guy (who already shot others) with a gun he was carrying (which probably saved lives of other bystanders), do not state the perpetrators (Hispanic) name but instead ramble on about the fact that the mall was close to another shooting that was racist against Hispanics. Yeah no agenda here by ABC (sarcasm)!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-mall-shooting-started-fight-groups-97266993

https://elpasomatters.org/2023/02/17/bystander-ended-cielo-vista-mall-shooting-police-say/

forgot to add that the ABC article was published by AP, one of the news organizations that some here think do not lean left.

I don't know of anyone here who has made the assertion that the AP doesn't "lean left". I haven't implied or stated that it's other than left leaning. It is reliably accurate. That matters more than if it "leans left" IMV. It's easier for the reader to accommodate a lean right or left ideologically if the information is otherwise reliably accurate, would you agree?

Daisy4RN · Feb 18, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

I don't know of anyone here who has made the assertion that the AP doesn't "lean left". I haven't implied or stated that it's other than left leaning. It is reliably accurate. That matters more than if it "leans left" IMV. It's easier for the reader to accommodate a lean right or left ideologically if the information is otherwise reliably accurate, would you agree?

I do not agree. If one is reading a (fiction) book which leans either way then no problem. If one is reading news articles or non-fiction books (ie history books etc) then IMO that is a problem. Even if the information is "accurate" one could argue the spin makes it inaccurate and therefore not reliable, as evidenced by the ABC/AP article, it is missing quite a few facts so it is inaccurate and therefore not reliable in its informing the public about the matter of the shooting.
Also, did I say you in reference to the AP? (Hint, I did not). But it is obvious that both ABC and AP are left wing, and unfortunately are considered MSM (ie Centerists) by many people who don't realize it. Not everyone takes the time, or knows they need to, compare articles like the ones above to see the difference and bias.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Feb 18, 2023

Daisy4RN said:

Here is a good example of bias reporting by ABC news. They do not state the fact that bystander shot the guy (who already shot others) with a gun he was carrying (which probably saved lives of other bystanders), do not state the perpetrators (Hispanic) name but instead ramble on about the fact that the mall was close to another shooting that was racist against Hispanics. Yeah no agenda here by ABC (sarcasm)!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-mall-shooting-started-fight-groups-97266993

https://elpasomatters.org/2023/02/17/bystander-ended-cielo-vista-mall-shooting-police-say/

forgot to add that the ABC article was published by AP, one of the news organizations that some here think do not lean left.

You also did not mention that the two stories were published a day apart when presumably more info was available. For someone like me, who is not familiar with El Paso, one might have wondered about the location in relation to the previous shooting.
The ethnicity of the shooter seems important to you. Why is that?

Daisy4RN · Feb 18, 2023

nursej22 said:

You also did not mention that the two stories were published a day apart when presumably more info was available. For someone like me, who is not familiar with El Paso, one might have wondered about the location in relation to the previous shooting.
The ethnicity of the shooter seems important to you. Why is that?

News organizations update their articles all the time, assuming they are actually trying to give accurate info (and even if that was the case here). It appears that they are not. The race of the perpetrators is not important to me. It is only relevant to this article which clearly takes a leap in including the other shooting by not merely pointing out the close proximity but by calling the previous attack racist while not including information about the current attack. As the other poster stated the article reads more about gun control and (I will add) race than giving readers an accurate description of events.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 19, 2023

Roitrn said:

Yes. I agree. The part in the ABC story did not need to add that this occurred accross in the same parking lot of a "racist" shooting several years ago.

It mentions guns and gun laws several times. It seems it's more like a political policy promotion about guns control than the actual story.

The 2nd story was more balanced.

I agree that the 2nd story isn't grinding an axe. I find the AP has become less journalistic over the years. My father worked for the AP and would be embarrassed to work for it today. But there is nothing in the first story (Not written by ABC) that is not true. And why are we even having bias explained to us. I think the book Bias was written during the George Bush administration. This is pretty basic stuff. I feel like I'm taking the 90's all over again:)

toomuchbaloney · Feb 19, 2023

Daisy4RN said:

I do not agree. If one is reading a (fiction) book which leans either way then no problem. If one is reading news articles or non-fiction books (ie history books etc) then IMO that is a problem. Even if the information is "accurate" one could argue the spin makes it inaccurate and therefore not reliable, as evidenced by the ABC/AP article, it is missing quite a few facts so it is inaccurate and therefore not reliable in its informing the public about the matter of the shooting.
Also, did I say you in reference to the AP? (Hint, I did not). But it is obvious that both ABC and AP are left wing, and unfortunately are considered MSM (ie Centerists) by many people who don't realize it. Not everyone takes the time, or knows they need to, compare articles like the ones above to see the difference and bias.

Spin is not the same as "leaning left". You could try to argue that this article was not accurate because of spin but that would require you to use the words of the article to make that point.

Whether or not you claimed anything about me specifically, I specifically made it clear that I did not share the thinking that you were attributing to members on this platform. It seems odd that you would think that required a response.

No, it's not obvious that the AP is left wing. Do you have some objective comparison that describes it as such? We have agreed that it leans left, now you're pushing that descriptor left, why?

I believe that MSM was defined previously as including Fox. Fox would not be considered centrist. Are you saying now that labeling something "MSM" implies some belief or acceptance that the views and reporting is centrist in nature?

No, not everyone considers the bias in their preferred media. That seems obvious in an age where even members of congress have repeated nonsense and fanciful thinking from their media. Right now the news is thick with the revelations about the intentionally deceitful reporting about election fraud, for instance. Millions of people were not attuned to that bias that led to dishonesty and they believed what they were told by trusted names in their media.

Roitrn · Feb 19, 2023

subee said:

I agree that the 2nd story isn't grinding an axe. I find the AP has become less journalistic over the years. My father worked for the AP and would be embarrassed to work for it today. But there is nothing in the first story (Not written by ABC) that is not true. And why are we even having bias explained to us. I think the book Bias was written during the George Bush administration. This is pretty basic stuff. I feel like I'm taking the 90's all over again:)

There is major bias in our media and in social media. Many people assume the news they watch is factual without any agenda. Unfortunately that's not true.

Media can state facts but use select language and methods of bias to try and form our opinions. Some media do not report on some some stories at all. This type of manipulation can go un noticed. Allsides media bias explanation defines it well.

Thats why I found it worth discussing.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 19, 2023

How did Fox News handle the Trump claims of election fraud after he lost the 2020 election? Do you think that the viewers of that cable TV programming were aware that they were being manipulated by their media? Do you think that Fox contributed to the hysteria that culminated in the attempted coup on 010621?

I think that if we want to talk about spin, bias or manipulative media we must talk about the largest media scandal in modern history.

Roitrn · Feb 19, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

How did Fox News handle the Trump claims of election fraud after he lost the 2020 election? Do you think that the viewers of that cable TV programming were aware that they were being manipulated by their media? Do you think that Fox contributed to the hysteria that culminated in the attempted coup on 010621?

I think that if we want to talk about spin, bias or manipulative media we must talk about the largest media scandal in modern history.

Yes. There are things that we are learning about Fox. All those points you noted do need to be discussed.

However, I will need much more information before I will think it is "the largest media scandal in modern history". That's seems like a bold hyperbolic statement without knowing all of the facts.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 19, 2023

Roitrn said:

Yes. There are things that we are learning about Fox. All those points you noted do need to be discussed.

However, I will need much more information before I will think it is "the largest media scandal in modern history". That's seems like a bold hyperbolic statement without knowing all of the facts.

Can you think of another scandal where early in the reveal of facts you learn that the network was pushing lies about election results and the hosts all knew that they were lies, but the hosts were more concerned about market share and stock prices than they were about informing their customers with truth. Have we ever heard of about another media scandal that involved influencing people with lies until thousands of them decided that they should try to overthrow the government?

You may disagree with my characterization but I'm confident that you can't come up with a bigger scandal about media spinning and lying to the public.

Many of us have questioned the claim of "fair and balanced" when Fox was gifted to us. Now it's clear that motto is just marketing for the conservative community... like "family values" or "law and order"... there's no real relationship to behavior.

So let's talk about why they lied about the election and why so many Americans believed them. What other things do you think they have misrepresented or spun for a hidden agenda?

Roitrn · Feb 19, 2023

toomuchbaloney said:

Can you think of another scandal where early in the reveal of facts you learn that the network was pushing lies about election results and the hosts all knew that they were lies, but the hosts were more concerned about market share and stock prices than they were about informing their customers with truth. Have we ever heard of about another media scandal that involved influencing people with lies until thousands of them decided that they should try to overthrow the government?

You may disagree with my characterization but I'm confident that you can't come up with a bigger scandal about media spinning and lying to the public.

Many of us have questioned the claim of "fair and balanced" when Fox was gifted to us. Now it's clear that motto is just marketing for the conservative community... like "family values" or "law and order"... there's no real relationship to behavior.

So let's talk about why they lied about the election and why so many Americans believed them. What other things do you think they have misrepresented or spun for a hidden agenda?

I'm not going to come to any definitive conclusion until all the facts are known. And I have recieved information from several different sources. I'm most certainly and not going to say that it's the worst media scandal in modern history as if this is fact.

Is that how the media you consume is describing this? Or is this the conclusion you have come to?

Its clear that the marketing is for the "conservative community "? It's clear that that's your opinion. An opinion accompanied by a inflated interpretation without all the information.

I imagine regardless of what the facts are, the left media will blow this up and it will be sensationalized the same way as you did. There will be theatrics and calls for Carlson to be charged for his role in the "insurrection" etc...... It will become a political tool to attempt to discredit conservative media as a whole. Instead of a valuable lesson it should be.

It will be used in this on-line forum to shut down any information referenced by Fox regardless of it is true or not. It will be met with, " are you citing Fox News?". "Fox News is the worst example of media conspiracy in modern history....".