Cleanliness in UK hospitals

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Just read this artcile online and was wondering what you all think of it?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/libby_purves/article2253546.ece

I personally think the author has obvioulsy been out of the workplace for way too long and while she has a valid point re: the lack of cleanliness in UK hospitals, she is totally unaware of the pressures on the nurse working on the wards today. I, for one, am sick and tired of nurses being held accountable for all the wrong doings and lack of cleanliness in UK hospitals these days. Last year, when I was working in an A&E in England, we nurses barely had time to ensure that the essential care was given let alone follow the cleaners round to make sure they were doing their jobs to a high standard. At nights, we had no cleaners so clearing up floor messes and changing toilot rolls fell to us (not that we weren't busy trying to look after that guy having an MI in room 6....'be there in a minute...just changing some loo roll") and at the weekends we went from 2 cleaners to one who only worked half a day and we all know what an A&E department looks like at the weekend. We nurses complained constantly about the lack of cleaners and cleanliness but to no avail. The management wouldn't listen to us and were thinking of making more cuts in the cleaning department and in fact they stopped clearing trash from the non-clinical areas in order to save money and the staff in those areas had to take thier own trash out. I would like to hear less nurse bashing going on (especially by fellow nurses) and more blame being laid at the door of those who are REALLY responsible for the problem. I know that we nurses are more frustrated than anyone by these problems but are hands are tied. The managements do not listen to nurses.

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
But that's the trouble with NHS there's always more chiefs than indians!:o

yes and as usual it is the nurses who get the blame

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.

I have to be honest I have a dedicated cleaner in my clinic, and although he is employed by a contracting firm and is not directly responsible to me he is responsible for my area. I hvae absolutely no complaints, he is fantastic and my clinic is always clean from top to bottom. In fact I could easily wipe my fingers over the surfaces happily and find no dust, dirt or grime.

I know it is not the same everywhere but I love my housekeeper (in a friendly way obviously otherwise Mr XB9S will complain)

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Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
But that's the trouble with NHS there's always more chiefs than indians!:o

I couldnt aggree more. Cleaning definatly went down hill when the outside contractors took over and the Sister was no longer the boss over the cleaning. It happened over night too

Specializes in OB, critical care, hospice, farm/industr.

Is this journalist woman actually expecting the nurses to clean in addition to their duties? I don't get it.

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Is this journalist woman actually expecting the nurses to clean in addition to their duties? I don't get it.

along with everything else a nurse is expected to do.

I remember as a student many many years ago one of our duties on a weekend was to go round with a trolley and tidy up. Get rid of dead flowers, old papers and mags etc and even a little bit of damp dusting but was never expected to pick up a mop unless it was a mess we made to clean up or if the usually cleaning up after an accident with a patient ie blood spillage or incontinence.

Specializes in med/surg.

My experience of cleaners in the NHS is the same as my experience of nursing in the NHS - too many chiefs & not enough Indians! Basically I agree with the comments so far.

Where I worked the cleaners were brought back in house and it really wasn't too bad but I was disgusted at the way they were spoken to by their bosses and treated in general. Pretty much like us really! :-)

I know in the "good old days" (HA HA) Matron ruled with an iron fist & all the bed wheels had to be turned to the front and the nurses scrubbed the floors & lockers & walls until you could see your face in it but WHEN will people realise it is not our job anymore? We simply DO NOT have time to that as well as look after our ridiculously high workload of patients!!

Of course we can point out areas of concern to the cleaning staff, and if it's done with courtesy it might get it sorted but during my time in the NHS I didn't have time to even look or notice most days.

Also when there's only 4 toilets to a ward they may be pristine at 09.00am but by 10.00am they look like they haven't been done. People can be so dirty themsleves - not wiping the seats, leaving marks in the pan etc.

I'm now in the private sector & it's a different kettle of fish - NO WAY am I expected to do any cleaning. I have helped with spillages on the odd occasion but mostly you just bleep the cleaners! WE are expected to tidy areas at the weekend but it really does get quiet enough to do so and that's OK, we have the time and the staff so no-one minds.

That's the crux really isn't it? If you have the time and the staff there's no problem but if you don't & still see yourself berated in the press etc then it sucks!!

Specializes in midwifery, ophthalmics, general practice.
Is this journalist woman actually expecting the nurses to clean in addition to their duties? I don't get it.

you mean you dont do weekend cleaning anymore???? bane of my life as a student nurse... if you upset sister you could guarantee you got all the grotty jobs!! at weekends we cleaned the ward from top to bottom.. if it didnt move, it got cleaned!! worst job was the sluice.. or the orthopeadic store. at Moorfields eye hospital, upsetting sister in a&e meant cleaning drop bottles.. they had to be taken out, damp dusted and placed back in nice neat lines. Do you have any idea how many different types of eye drops you can get?? used to take about 4 hours.. and if the lines were not straight enough you had to start again!!

the wards were cleaner. and we did take part in cleaning!

karen

Specializes in OB, critical care, hospice, farm/industr.

Oh no, student nurses here (or at least my students) feel cleaning is far beneath them. They did not go to college to do demeaning work like that ! (/sarcasm)

I remember stocking the wards and we have to check the stock levels and equipment in a room now, but I've never cleaned a room. I have wiped up blood and stripped a bed to help the cleaner when it was busy and I knew he or she had a lot of work, but that's as far as we can go. And even then the cleaner supervisor gave me the hairy eyeball. (not allowed to do another union member's job)

you mean you dont do weekend cleaning anymore???? bane of my life as a student nurse... if you upset sister you could guarantee you got all the grotty jobs!! at weekends we cleaned the ward from top to bottom.. if it didnt move, it got cleaned!! worst job was the sluice..

the wards were cleaner. and we did take part in cleaning!

karen

Those were the days. How to clean everything from top to bottom even when it looked like it didn't need cleaning and it hadn't been used/gathered dust since the last weekend's cleaning session. And then, after inspection by the 2nd or 3rd year student, as they told you what to do, clean it again. It worked though. There was no crud on our equipment.

I remember a ward sister threatening a nurse with "I'll make you scrub the inside of the Clinimatic/Sluicemaster with a toothbrush". She probably would have too. Ahhhhh....leadership memories of a bygone age.

Cheers

OG

Specializes in medical.

its not just the simple basic cleaning thats lacking either. mattrasses and beds aren't being sent for deep cleaning enough because the demand for them is too high.

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

In all my years I never sent any mattresses or beds for deep cleaning. Any mattress classed as no longer suitable was condemned and replaced otherwise when patient was discharged the bed and mattress was washed properly by the domestic staff using appropriate cleaners, all mattresses was covered in the approval plastic coverings. Also bed side unit was washed properly.

whats deep cleaning for beds/mattresses as i have never heard of this

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