Cleanliness in UK hospitals

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Just read this artcile online and was wondering what you all think of it?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/libby_purves/article2253546.ece

I personally think the author has obvioulsy been out of the workplace for way too long and while she has a valid point re: the lack of cleanliness in UK hospitals, she is totally unaware of the pressures on the nurse working on the wards today. I, for one, am sick and tired of nurses being held accountable for all the wrong doings and lack of cleanliness in UK hospitals these days. Last year, when I was working in an A&E in England, we nurses barely had time to ensure that the essential care was given let alone follow the cleaners round to make sure they were doing their jobs to a high standard. At nights, we had no cleaners so clearing up floor messes and changing toilot rolls fell to us (not that we weren't busy trying to look after that guy having an MI in room 6....'be there in a minute...just changing some loo roll") and at the weekends we went from 2 cleaners to one who only worked half a day and we all know what an A&E department looks like at the weekend. We nurses complained constantly about the lack of cleaners and cleanliness but to no avail. The management wouldn't listen to us and were thinking of making more cuts in the cleaning department and in fact they stopped clearing trash from the non-clinical areas in order to save money and the staff in those areas had to take thier own trash out. I would like to hear less nurse bashing going on (especially by fellow nurses) and more blame being laid at the door of those who are REALLY responsible for the problem. I know that we nurses are more frustrated than anyone by these problems but are hands are tied. The managements do not listen to nurses.

Specializes in Nursing Home ,Dementia Care,Neurology..

On a more serious note,there is no way nurses could clean and not become contaminated and therefore spread even more infection.Even wearing gloves and aprons your clothes would become a focus for any bacteria etc splashed onto you as well as your shoes.I can't see the NHS splashing out for those white suits you see forensics wearing ,can you!?

Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.

I finally got subscribed to Brutush Nurse Chat.

There is a new thread about hospital cleanliness in all Nurses.com the NEWS.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f195/hope-never-happens-here-scandel-over-hygiene-standards-related-c-diff-255038.html

Maybe this well help the hospitals address the cleanliness issue. 331 people DEAD?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=SHQQGGX5BOJOQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQOIVO?xml=/news/2007/10/11/ncdiff111.xml

Specializes in medical with other stuff chucked in!.

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Specializes in med/surg.

It's interesting to read all the comments after the Telegraph article. I feel saddened to read of all those people who have had such a bad experience in the NHS. Quite a lot of them do talk about the poor levels of staffing being the major problem but most of them talk about the poor attitudeappearance of staff & that's sad.

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here who, if I'm honest, knows a nurse/nurses like those they refer to. I wish I could say otherwise but I can't. All I do is try to be the best I can when I'm working and hope that I set an example so that no patient ever comes away feeling that I haven't given top care.

Interestingly no-one has mentioned that those hand gels don't work against C-Diff!

I also feel that the nurse training has it's place in the problem. Of course nurses are being academically well prepared (well those who aren't cutting & pasting essays from the Internet are at any rate!) but the real problem is that students are not part of the staffing anymore. when we trained we were an integeral part of the team. We all trained at one hospital (with an outreach for our psychiatry), so got to know the basic way wards were run in our 1st placement so didn't have to learn new paperwork etc each placement. Plus being part of a team does give you a sense of belonging & pride - there was friendly rivalry between many of the wards because they were on the look out for those students they wanted to employ once they had trained.

As 1st years our job was to wash patients, feed patients, change beds, clean their lockers & tables, pass out bed pans & do obs. As 2nd years we could (with supervision) go on the drug round, change dressings, administer injections and help to guide the 1st years as to their role. As 3rd years we ran the wards :rotfl: so by the time we were qualified we really knew what our job was!!

The main difference though was that we were the extra staff able to carry out those all important basic care tasks. Now there are no longer students doing this, or learning this. My more recent NHS experience since returning to practice was such low levels of staffing that we really were not able to cope with all the needs of a patient so the emphasis was on the medical at the expense of the nursing. As for teaching - no chance!

Things can't go on like this - maybe, just maybe, all this publicity will make politicians look at the NHS properly -but I guess that was a pig I just saw fly past the window!!

I'm afraid I voted with my feet & work in the private sector now. They are still very much budget driven but not at the expense of patient care!

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.

I also feel that the nurse training has it's place in the problem. Of course nurses are being academically well prepared (well those who aren't cutting & pasting essays from the Internet are at any rate!) but the real problem is that students are not part of the staffing anymore. when we trained we were an integeral part of the team. We all trained at one hospital (with an outreach for our psychiatry), so got to know the basic way wards were run in our 1st placement so didn't have to learn new paperwork etc each placement. Plus being part of a team does give you a sense of belonging & pride - there was friendly rivalry between many of the wards because they were on the look out for those students they wanted to employ once they had trained.

an advantage which is also a huge disadvantage , there is a joke among staff in the unit i currently work on, which has got a fairly mobile and 'geographically expereinced' Nursing staff base that there are three ways to do something, the right way, the wrong way and the way this hospitla has always done it ...

The main difference though was that we were the extra staff able to carry out those all important basic care tasks.

Right, novel viewpoint , given that student s now are truely 'extra' to safe minimum staffing and Matrons and site managers face discipline if they use students to support staffing numbers

Now there are no longer students doing this, or learning this. My more recent NHS experience since returning to practice was such low levels of staffing that we really were not able to cope with all the needs of a patient so the emphasis was on the medical at the expense of the nursing. As for teaching - no chance!

or perhaps the fact that the rose tinted spectacles haven't yet fallen ( or been knocked off) , your comment about moving to the private sector says as much if not more aobut your viewpoint than anything else you have said

Specializes in med/surg.
an advantage which is also a huge disadvantage , there is a joke among staff in the unit i currently work on, which has got a fairly mobile and 'geographically expereinced' Nursing staff base that there are three ways to do something, the right way, the wrong way and the way this hospitla has always done it ...

That has, & probably always will be the case! :lol2:

or perhaps the fact that the rose tinted spectacles haven't yet fallen ( or been knocked off) , your comment about moving to the private sector says as much if not more aobut your viewpoint than anything else you have said

Not quite sure what you're implying here?? I moved to the private sector because I couldn't bear not being able to my job safely or properly because there simply were not enough staff. When I was last in the NHS - as a student, then a staff nurse - that was not the case. We worked hard but we could manage to carry out all the basic as well as medical care. When I came back to nursing that simply wasn't the case & I wasn't prepared to risk my health, registration or sanity for managers that couldn't give two hoots.

Nowadays I work hard still but can get my work done, have the time to talk to my patients, am supported by management, get plenty of further training opportunities & work in a reasonably nice environment. Forgive me for prefering that!

Oh & I'm not expected to clean up anything - if there is a spill - be it blood, faeces or water then the cleaners clean it up - HOW NOVEL!! Cleaners that do what their job description implies!!

Specializes in ITU/Emergency.

Oh & I'm not expected to clean up anything - if there is a spill - be it blood, faeces or water then the cleaners clean it up - HOW NOVEL!! Cleaners that do what their job description implies!!

What? You don't have to clean up spills? What do you do with your time;)! It used to drive me mad when I was working in resus and we had a pretty messy room to clear up and it was us staff nurses who had to run around cleaning, whilst looking after critically ill or injured patients and getting ready to expect a trauma or resus rolling through the doors because the cleaners weren't allowed to clear up blood or bodil fluids. I remember once, standing there with an apron and wellies on, mopping the floor as unexpected resus came through the doors. I managed to strip off the apron and wash my hands quickly, but I performed the whole resus with huge white wellies on my feet which were a man size 11. Heehee...well, its funny now!

Specializes in med/surg.

LOL!! Would have loved to have seen that!!

It is an issue though isn't it - while everyone is moaning about nurses wearing their uniforms outside the workplace they still want us to get down on our knees - in those same uniforms - & clean up blood etc - because the cleaners "won't deal with body fluids". At least that's what I got told by the cleaner on my old NHS ward!!

No, at least where I am now I do the nursing, the cleaners so the cleaning, the waitresses serve the food & the cooks prepare the food!!

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

I remember a few times having to clean body fluids up as cleaners refused saying they wasn't paid for that, even had colour coded equipment so we wouldn't contaminate their stuff, agree with colour code just couldn't understand why they couldn't do it

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