CDC rec to counsel all males about benefits of circumcision

[sistrmoon]

Wasn't sure the best place to put this, but here's the article:

CDC Considers Counseling Males Of All Ages On Circumcision : Shots - Health News : NPR

What do you think of this? Have you read the African studies and do you think they translate to our population? Do you think it's a good idea from a public health standpoint?

[Glycerine82, LPN]

If the CDC needs to mind their own business, so do the pro-foreskin community. Let parents decide for THEIR children!

A parent choosing it for their child isn't the same as the CDC getting involved. It feels like they are advocating for it, and it bothers me.

[morte, LPN, LVN]

trying to compare a body type preference to being offended by a natural male anatomy,is not an accurate argument .

Since this is in response to a quoted post of mine, I think clarification is in order.

I was writing about a stated preference amongst the women with whom I've had such conversations, not anything more. To label those who find uncircumcised anatomy distasteful as "Bimbos" is incredibly rude. I don't know if it would "run off women" or if they'd simply dislike that part of their husband's anatomy; I suppose it would depend on if the REST of the man was 'worth' having or if that would just be the final straw if the answer to that question was 'no'.

I never said a word about anyone refusing to stay with such a man regardless of other circumstances, and the idea that a woman who is less than charmed at seeing an uncircumcised male does NOT equate with "not being worthy of them". That is a GIANT and erroneous leap to a conclusion that wasn't even close!

Pretty sure if a group of men were talking about women's anatomy, some might state a decided preference for a certain physical type: height, weight, body shape, hair color, etc etc. To suggest that they are 'not worthy' of women who don't fit that criteria is foolish....and insulting. Preferences are preferences, and I'll betcha that people choose partners based on MORE than physical preferences, even if those preferences are not met.

[morte, LPN, LVN]

are you purposefully not understanding her post? or just not able to defend your stance any other way?

It looks like you took yet another comment and twisted it beyond recognition. How does a "better sexual experience" have anything to do with "reject a man because part of his body hasn't been cut off?"

"Bimbo repellent?" Seriously? There are so many things wrong with this.

I can't take you seriously anymore and now I am just laughing at the outlandish things you post.

[Glycerine82, LPN]

Just to give another aspect of this whole lovely conversation......

since the male member is made up of the same tissue and has nerve endings just like the female privy parts, which comes equipped with layers of protection, when you cut off the foreskin you're literally cutting off the protection that the body has provided for the member, like it provides for the privy parts. Ladies get a layer of protection, most males are out of luck and get a desensitized member out of the deal.

Also, just to remind everyone in case you've forgotten, an intact member and a circumcised member look exactly the same when they're erect, the foreskin stretches out completely leaving ample surface area for rinsing/cleaning/applying a condom/whatever. (Hey- you never know, some people really don't know!)

Not only are nerve endings in the foreskin itself, but the member is much more sensitive during sex because it's covered the majority of the time.

My issue is that all of the health benefits people claim circumcision has can be achieved with good hygiene and condoms.

If a parent wants to do it so the son looks like the dad, etc., that's on them, but I don't think the CDC has the right to influence their decision unless they're going to give all the information, and they won't.

[morte, LPN, LVN]

Bimbo repellent??? SERIOUSLY? ....you lost all credibility here.

Why?.

[SubSippi]

Why?.

Well...I tend to think that argument is invalid because it seems that a "bimbo" is not likely to be incredibly particular when it comes to their selection of sexual partners.

Although...if we look at it from the women (or men, as the case may be) that it may repel angle...it could potentially be repellent to someone who is close-minded, sexually unadventurous, or unwilling to try new things in general.

Disclaimer: I was referring to people who would be repelled (i.e. refuse to even consider being involved with an uncircumcised man based on that fact alone, despite being compatible with this man otherwise) by an intact member, not those who state having a preference for a circumcised member. I wasn't calling y'all closed-minded, there's nothing wrong with knowing what you like!

[dream'n, BSN, RN]

I asked my two resident "experts", my husband and adult son about this thread and the controversy (both circumcised). After looking at me like I had two heads, they waved me off with "I don't care, why would I even think about it". They both stated they have no thoughts on the subject and have never had any curiosity about it. LOL, skilled conversationalists they are not :)

Kind of how abortion is seen as a woman's issue; ie "it's my body", I feel like I have no stake in this issue anymore as my decision for my son was LONG ago. But I haven't seen a huge uprising of men, at least here in the US, against circumcision. JMO

[Red Kryptonite]

How can they be experts on something neither of them has any experience with having? They literally have no idea what they've lost.

I said earlier in the thread that there are men who speak up about feeling robbed and violated by circumcision, and I've watched them get shamed as crybabies. I've participated in discussions where people considering circumcision were told that if they didn't do it, they'd be coddling their son and turn him soft. As insane as these things sound, there are real people out there who believe them and say them. Personally I think it's a defense mechanism. Men who've had a part of their body cut off need to see it as justified, or else they have to face that they were violated. The uncut male body has to be shamed and made disgusting, even threatening (as the genitals strangulating themselves comment early in this thread demonstrated) in order to make having part of their body cut off okay. This is the same defense mechanism that causes women who've been mutilated to take their daughters in for the same treatment.

Men circumcised as infants are in no way experts about normal, whole male genitalia. It's impossible for them to be.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

trying to compare a body type preference to being offended by a natural male anatomy,is not an accurate argument .

And that isn't the point I was making, not even in the ballpark.

MY post said that in "girl-talk" with female friends, it seemed that the decided preference in that group of women (I said I did not speak for ALL, just MY cohorts) in favor of circumcised men.

From there, someone else commented that her experiences were the opposite. Ok, that's all fine, no issue. The ISSUE, and the reason I posted in response, was that Red then responded with comments about womwen who feel this way being "not worthy of these men" and women who preferrred to not have intimate dealings with uncircumcised men as "bimbos". WAY off base, and frankly insulting. I IN NO WAY inferred that one body type was "offensive", but that in fact there ARE preferences....and that was that. My words, it seems, not only got twisted once, but you twisted them yet again.

[~PedsRN~, BSN, RN]

All this scientific peer reviewed evidence seems to have lots of pros for circumcision. My question is: where is the research about the harms of circumcision? one can argue that the papers here are already biased.

Maybe when I have ten minutes where I'm not working ?, I'll look for some of those "peer reviewed journals" - which can be biased, it is possible - just read the flu vaccine "evidence".

Evidence will always support the money maker, in my experience. And sadly, medicine has become a huge money maker. And while cosmetic surgery is a huge market, it's just not as palatable when your target market is 2 days old.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

are you purposefully not understanding her post? or just not able to defend your stance any other way?

Again, it is YOU who are misunderstanding; I assume you did not read MY post that set this off in the first place, and therefore cannot understand why Canigraduate wrote what she did.

Canigraduate was responding to Red's clear misunderstanding of what I had written in the first place, and was standing up for her own opinion (as well as my own, and any number of us out here who happen to feel the same).

Stating an OPINION about preference of male physical characteristics (by definition, an opinion) is not something that that requires a defense.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

I asked my two resident "experts", my husband and adult son about this thread and the controversy (both circumcised). After looking at me like I had two heads, they waved me off with "I don't care, why would I even think about it". They both stated they have no thoughts on the subject and have never had any curiosity about it. LOL, skilled conversationalists they are not :)

Kind of how abortion is seen as a woman's issue; ie "it's my body", I feel like I have no stake in this issue anymore as my decision for my son was LONG ago. But I haven't seen a huge uprising of men, at least here in the US, against circumcision. JMO

I had to laugh at this, because I think this is the normal response for circumcised men in America. In the interest of full disclosure, there is a "movement" of men out there that are claiming having been ruined for life because they were circumcised at birth. Some are going as far as trying to regrow their foreskin, suing their parents and claiming PTSD.