CDC rec to counsel all males about benefits of circumcision

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Wasn't sure the best place to put this, but here's the article:

CDC Considers Counseling Males Of All Ages On Circumcision : Shots - Health News : NPR

What do you think of this? Have you read the African studies and do you think they translate to our population? Do you think it's a good idea from a public health standpoint?

Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
In my 14 years in the NICU, I have come to view the practice as unnecessary at best, harmul at worst.

It has been my experience that nurses who work directly with newborns are more likely to be anti-RIC. They see it firsthand, including the complications.

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Not super powers, but more tissue in the right spot to stimulate the privy parts.

If the foreskin is stimulating the privy parts, then you're not doing it correctly!

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It slips back onto the shaft, does it not?

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The fact that any woman would actually reject a man because part of his body hasn't been cut off is just astounding to me. Many in the intactivist community refer to foreskins as "bimbo repellent" and are frankly grateful that it might run off women shallow enough to act like that, protecting our sons from women not worthy of them.

Bimbo repellent??? SERIOUSLY? ....you lost all credibility here.

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All anecdotal! Useless! Must be double blind peer reviewed and controlled!

Excluding all personal experience is to exclude valuable data.

It should be EBP...we are...ALLnurses, after all...what we do as nurse have a reason and a rationale... :whistling:

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It slips back onto the shaft, does it not?

Not all the way down to the base. It slips down over the glans with thrusting, sure. But it's still all inside the lady parts. The foreskin is not touching the privy parts during lady partsl intercourse.

(please remember that I am an outpatient OB/Gyn nurse, and the topic of thrusting and lady partss and clitoral stimulation is part of my daily vernacular. I'm not a perv)

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Maybe more the g-spot then, but I've also seen discussions of how the slight ridge formed on the shaft by the retracted foreskin stimulates the privy parts during thrusting. Being married to a circumcised man and having no other experience, I wouldn't personally know.

Anyhow, I found this discussion of the medical benefits of female circumcision and thought some of it sounded so familiar, so I thought I'd share.

http://islamqa.info/en/45528

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Maybe more the g-spot then, but I've also seen discussions of how the slight ridge formed on the shaft by the retracted foreskin stimulates the privy parts during thrusting. Being married to a circumcised man and having no other experience, I wouldn't personally know.

Anyhow, I found this discussion of the medical benefits of female circumcision and thought some of it sounded so familiar, so I thought I'd share.

Medical benefits of female circumcision - islamqa.info

Only a "barbarian" would take an opinion piece of female genital mutilation and try to compare to the proven medical benefits of male circumcision. Also, again I don't if you just don't understand what peer-reviewed scientific literature or how to do a literature search, but this is just another opinion piece that you continue to post.

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Only a "barbarian" would take an opinion piece of female genital mutilation and try to compare to the proven medical benefits of male circumcision. Also, again I don't if you just don't understand what peer-reviewed scientific literature or how to do literature search, but this is just another opinion piece that you continue to post.

Agree.

Let's keep this as an EDUCATED discussion, not "opinion"; let's be civil and educational with the responses; let's use the nursing process and use those research skills we learned in nursing school to support a viewpoint into a lively discussion. :yes:

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Reductio ad absurdam

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So are you claiming that antisemitism has not played any part of the cultural influences in your country or any European countries including male circumcision. This is based on what your personal opinion or actual peer-reviewed scientific research?. There is a perception by the minority groups in these countries that these decisions about male circumcision are being made at least in part by antisemitism and anti-Muslim groups. There are several articles on this subject, but most are in the form of opinion pieces from Jewish people living in these countries. The article below is one I found that at least went through a peer-review process for publication and was found on Pubmed.

http://www.ima.org.il/FilesUpload/IMAJ/0/39/19771.pdf

There is no other part of the human anatomy that has been shown that can be removed that will decrease penile cancer, cervical cancer, STI, female infection, and UTIs with no statistically significant loss of function and has shown in some studies to actually enhance performance once the penile foreskin was removed.

There should be absolutely no reason for the CDC not to provide unbiased information on male circumcision to HCPs, if Europe's equivalent to the CDC doesn't want to do that is a fine.

(My bold)

Good grief. I never claimed that anti-semitism never played a part in cultural influences in my country or in any country in Europe. (One would have to be completely ignorant regarding history and it would easily qualify as the most asinine claim uttered by anyone, anywhere, ever). Anti-Semitism is sadly very much a part of Europe's history.

However, I'm curious why it is you feel/think that anti-Semitism plays a part in our view on infant circumcisions. They have never been a part of our customs, and I genuinely fail to see any connection between that fact and anti-Semistism.

I also wonder what you mean when you say "these countries"? Europe is large, and while there are many similarities there are also many differences between the various countries.

The claim I made is only about circumcision and in an earlier post I specifically mentioned that I can't speak for all of Europe, only for my own country and to some extent about our closest neighbors (Scandinavia). I have lived in a few other countries in Europe (and several countries elsewhere), but it takes time to get the know the "soul" or "essence" if you will, of another culture.

As I'm sure you already know, the fact that I feel that our stance on circumcision isn't based on anti-Semitism isn't a conclusion based on "peer-reviewed scientific research". How could it be? Not all subjects or phenomena are readily studied or analyzed in that format.

I've already tried to explain the background to how most Swedes feel about circumcision of infants, but that doesn't seem to have convinced you at all.

I tried to explain that it's about being pro-children's rights and not about being anti anything. Of course if two customs are polar opposites of each other than logically being "pro" one of them means that you are "anti" the other. But this is simply a consequence of the two customs being the opposite of each other. The motivating factor is the support of one custom, not the rejection of the other. Neither is it a rejection of the group of people who practice the other custom.

I can't help or control what other people feel and perceive, but I do know that what a person perceives isn't always an accurate portrayal of the truth. I can imagine that if a certain custom is closely tied to the identity of a group of people, then the non-acceptance of that custom may well feel like a rejection of the people themselves.

About your latest link. It discusses the discrimination of Jewish doctors in the past. It also mentions the Crusaders, the Spanish inquisition, the Cossack pogroms and Hitler's Germany. They're all abhorrent atrocities, but I don't see how they relate to the issue at hand. I'm not sure what else I can add.

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I concluded from your lack of response that you seem to have no interest in discussing the ethical aspects of removing healthy body parts of infants prophylactically. In my opinion the ethical aspect is an integral component of the policy-making process in healthcare, and it would have been interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

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Then do you prefer that HCPs not be given unbiased information on the risks and benefits of male circumcision by the CDC, which is actually what the thread was originally talking about.

It's not a procedure I believe in, although I do understand why it's chosen, so I think I would have to say No, but I already said as much in an earlier post. In countries where the procedure would save lives, I say absolutely.

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