Can't order ink pens but ceo earned > $1,400,000.00 in 2008

[lisa moree]

I work for a HMA, and I'm very discouraged right now because my order to central supply for ink pens, colored flags for the charts, and other varios items that we need to do our day to day work was "killed." What's even worse is that some nights we only have 2 nurses and 1 cna to cover a medical floor, census 20. You know when a nurse leaves her shift and feels like she hasn't done a good job, she may think about working somewhere else, especially since the HMA hospital is not competitive with wages and she makes about $2.00 less/hr than the nurses at a hospital 5 miles down the road. But guess what, the CEO's for HMA total calculated compensation for 2008 was $1,461,363.00. That makes me feel so angry. Just think of the care the people of my community could recieve if the big dogs weren't becoming millionaires.

[diane227, LPN, RN]

I had the unfortunate experience of working for an HCA hospital for a while when they bought out a facility that I was working for and I tell you it was all about$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I would retire before I would work for another for profit hospital. The United States is the only country in the world where it is acceptable to make a profit off the backs of sick people. There is a special place in hell for those CEO's of HCA.

[GadgetRN71, ASN, RN]

1. It's usually public knowledge what the CEO makes.

2. Its no one else's business what someone else makes unless it is public knowledge.

3. Go back to school get an MBA and start the carrer goal to becoming a CEO.

4. A lot of nurses on here decry that their administration just doesn't understand what a nurse does everyday. I venture to say almost all nurses have no clue what a CEO does or who they are accountable to.

Wah, Wah, Wah...don't care what they do all day. I do know that whatever it is they do, it sure ain't worth millions of dollars a year.

If I had to guess, I'd wager that their day goes something like this....sit on their overpaid butt for most of the morning, maybe hook up with their mistress at lunch, figure out how to bleed everyone else dry, play a couple rounds of golf. Maybe make a show of being interested in what the peons are doing-ie walk onto a few floors here and there and pretend to talk with the staff but most of the time, the staff chosen to talk with said CEO are yes men/women for the NM.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[GadgetRN71, ASN, RN]

What is stopping any one of you from geting into that field if you despise it so much? Go ahead and become a CEO, take the classes and the training and do the work and offer to work for 50-60K a year...see how long you would last.

I respect myself too much to sell my soul to the almighty dollar. The CEOs can make a decent wage but why on earth should someone get millions a year to be a glorified office worker? Please.

[husker_rn, RN]

And that is THE reason there should be no profit in healthcare. I was briefly a DON in LTC. That's when I learned that department managers got a kickback based on $$$ their department saved. So my guess is the CEO and his cutbacks are the reason for his salary.

[FLmomof5]

Interesting....

If you hate the CEO for earning so much and believe (mistakenly, BTW) that they do nothing more than sit on their butts, go golfing and have inappropriate interludes at lunch....then shadow one. Find out what they really do. Go to school and become one. NOW *you* know what RNs do...and can make a difference and earn more income (which - at that point - you will definitely feel you *deserve*!).

My husband's father said to him, "A doctor is not paid for his time, he is paid for what he knows." It is a CEO's knowledge that gets him that check. Most of us could not do his (or her) job.

It appears that many are angry about what they *think* is happening or why.

One thing I would point out....

In a communistic country, all citizens were paid the same regardless of education or level of effort. (Spread the wealth. No upper/lower class.) Well the productivity in those countries tanked. The guy working his behind off got ticked when the guy who sat on his orifice did nothing and got the same check. As a result, he stopped working as hard. Why would you go through to get an MD or PhD when you would get the same pay as a janitor?

Then there is France. Oh they hate the *US*. We are a bunch of greedy selfish folks. Did you see them scream bloody murder when the Pres wanted to INCREASE their work week to 40 hrs (currently 30) and shorten their annual vacation time to 2 weeks (from 3 months)! We have what we have because of our own efforts. If you want more, seek more. If you do not seek more then it is time to have your lips greet each other.

Regarding the pens.....

Think of it this way.....

How many times did you "steal" pens from your employer? How many times did you get home, clean out your uniform pockets and there was a pen there that wasn't there when you got to work? You then left that one at home.... (rinse, repeat). How many times did you steal from your employer when you printed personal stuff using the hospital computer and/or printer? Have you ever used your employers copier or fax for personal reasons?

Sounds petty? Yeah, but if you add it up, it can cost a fortune in the long run. Think about it, if every employee came to work without a pen and left with one, how much would that cost the hospital per year?

That is the way a business person thinks.

I only began to think about this kind of stuff when I was at church one Sunday. I lived in a military town and I was AD USAF. The pastor asked us to raise our hands if we ever have stolen from our employers. Of course no hands went up. Then he said, "Raise your hands if you have 'Skilcraft' pens at home." The looks on the faces were priceless! I was raised military. I remember all those Skilcraft pens. I had never thought of it as stealing. He pointed out that the Lord would. Wow! I never took home another Skilcraft pen!

[CrunchRN, ADN, RN]

1. It's usually public knowledge what the CEO makes.

2. Its no one else's business what someone else makes unless it is public knowledge.

3. Go back to school get an MBA and start the carrer goal to becoming a CEO.

4. A lot of nurses on here decry that their administration just doesn't understand what a nurse does everyday. I venture to say almost all nurses have no clue what a CEO does or who they are accountable to.

Oh puhlease. Get real. Statements like yours from nurses themselves are a big part of the reason they will never be taken seriously by management.

The CEO's make tons of money and that "heavy" burden is tolerated just fine - LOL!

Meanwhile, the nurse has 10 patients, and can't get a freaking pen or decent supplies.

:devil:

[HeartsOpenWide, RN]

1. It's usually public knowledge what the CEO makes.

2. Its no one else's business what someone else makes unless it is public knowledge.

3. Go back to school get an MBA and start the carrer goal to becoming a CEO.

4. A lot of nurses on here decry that their administration just doesn't understand what a nurse does everyday. I venture to say almost all nurses have no clue what a CEO does or who they are accountable to.

I am sorry, I don't care how hard a hospitals CEOs job is; they are not worth $1,400,000...the president of the United State does not make that much and he runs and entire country.

[eriksoln, BSN, RN]

https://allnurses.com/nursing-news/uk-cut-managers-433355.html

Just interested in what FLmomof5 thinks about what is going on at my facility. Kind of hard to defend the admin. at my hospital. Very hard indeed.

To follow, I would like you FLmomof5 to do just what you are asking the nurses here to do. You seem.............(ahem, cough) more educated on the admin.'s roles than the rest of us, so..........fill us in. What makes what they do such an impossible task that only a select few can do it? Go ahead........educate me. Give me a few concrete job duties that ONLY THEY can perform. Hmmm..........something tells me your lips are meeting each other right now.

I'm a firm believer that most hospitals today find themselves in the situations they are in because overpaying admin. has gone on too long. Take UPMC for example. They performed a death march, firing admin. left and right. Basically told them they did not fill any role or perform any function for the facility and thus were being let go. Over 600 people were let go, not a single one was a nurse. When I was a travel nurse in WA, two very big hospital systems had done the exact same thing. They cut administration, firing almost 200 people, again not a single one of those firings being a nurse.

Seems to me, when times are rough and a facility must "watch the budget", the first thing to go is administration. This would not be the case if they were the.......unique talents that you paint them as.

[*ac*]

Do some people really get pens supplied by their work?? Wow, who knew?

We got one once during nurse's week. It was so special. It had a light on it that worked for two days.

[Dreamer-RN]

I am sorry, I don't care how hard a hospitals CEOs job is; they are not worth $1,400,000...the president of the United State does not make that much and he runs and entire country.

HeartsOpenWide, I was about to make the same comment. Took the words out of my mouth! :)

[Super_RN, BSN, RN]

I am not YET a nurse, but, I do work in a hospital as a Phlebotomist (graduate to be an RN in MAY!!!!) Anyways, our hospital has had sooo many cuts in the last year. First it started with the 'administration' big wigs, backstabbing each other to fight for each others positions, firing people that had been working for the hospital for prob 30+ years , some just a year shy of retiring..making them leave earlier (ps, our hospital used to be split in two cities and was a 'community hospital', THEN they signed with a large organization and are now One...small hospital in the middle of the two, closing the other ones and leaving just empty buildings...their 'attempt' to save money..whatever)

So, then it went to charge nurses that had been there for years being replaced by newer nurses and it has just went down the 'foodchain' until even our housekeeping is understaffed. Everyone is short handed and stressed, the nurses have your situation on each floor and of course supplys have been replaced with the cheapest sh*t they could find, i swear.

Id like to blame all this madness on the economy, yes i would. But something in me keeps getting angrier and angrier with the whole organization. this is already long winded, and believe me i could go on and on about all the stuff i have to put up with just in my department. It just makes me so mad that these people sit in their offices and make all these rules about hiring staff and how we can get by with what we have JUSt because the 'numbers' with their money situation is good for them.

Clearly the hospital staff and patients are suffering from this. Nurses that havent been layed off are leaving, and they are NOT being replaced. And Im scared, becasue I graduate soon and have to work for them for 3 years (i was stupid and signed a contract...I thought it was going to be a good thing, now Im regretting it) Im scared that Im going to be thrown in right after school and not get proper training because the nurses are not going to have patience with me. And its not just that, unfortunatley people are writing to our local paper complaining A LOT about the service at our hospital. Its an embarrassment and It makes me feel bad becuase everyone really is busting their butts. Rn's dont have aides to help them out, in fact, our hospital is trying for an all RN staff...no lpns...no aides. Which might be fine IF their were more than 2... I guess Im venting...haha. I went into Nursing because I love the challenge and I love helping people, I want to imrpove their lives and I cant wait until I know how to do just that. But, I do not want to have to put up with all the politics of it. I hate Corporate. But it seems that in this field Im not going to get away from it.

If I could live on a hippy farm and be a nurse and work for daisies and potatoes I would...but thats not feasable. I wish these people that sit at their desks with full mugs of coffee all day long (did i mention we arent aloud to have drinks at our stations?) that get breakfast breaks as well as LUnch breaks (what the HECK is a breakfast break?) would come work in EACH department for a week and see just what we do. These people dont even have patient contact, they dont even know how to handle situations. One lady was walking through our department (in a nice dress and clicky heels) and just so happened to stumble upon me telling an outpatient that their were just a couple of people ahead of her and it will only be a few minutes,and she came up to me as if I had done something majorly wrong and goes "Its whatever the patient wants"( I was the only one drawing blood because we are short staffed and when its busy, we deal) PLUS we have a system, if we just did what ever the 'patient' wanted I would have a mob coming at me! I just couldnt believe it, and had to stop what i was doing, take that patient right in front of the two that had been waiting longer. I just cant stand it, guess its a sore spot for me cuz I really did not expect to write this much ...i feel better now

YOu must live by me because this sounds familiar!

[NickiLaughs, ADN, BSN, RN]

While I believe that CEO's do a job that I would never particularly care for, and monetary wages are expected. How much income is really necessary to live comfortably?

Do professional athletes really needs multi-millions for a 4 year contract?

Do CEO's really need to make 1.4 million a year?

While I know the US is firmly a capitalist society, it's almost as though we've gotten out of control, and I believe that higher wages attract people to better themselves, but how attractive does the wages have to be?