Can a teacher do this?

[Dezy]

Ok so I had a midterm yesterday. I have been studying for a little over two weeks straight for this example. I would go over the material she has posted online (she likes to do everything on power int) she also just does her lectures based on the power point. She gives us a little extra info during the class but nothing more then a page of notes. So I went over the stuff she gave us, I used the practice quiz online over and over and looked a things online and bit of the text book. I went into the test feeling pretty good and confidant I knew the material. When I got the test I was shocked to discover that the questions were in far more detail that she went in class. It was beyond the notes she gave us... We had several questions that ask you to put things in particulate order.... Like lots of them which I found strange because we didn't have much time.I'm aware this probably sounds like I'm whining but, I found myself rushing through the test because I was running out of time. I had to guess on so many questions because I couldn't read them all. I finished two minutes before she said pencils down. When I looked up, there was probably 30 or 40 % of the class that still hadn't finished. I asked other people what they thought and they thought the test was outrageous as well... I guess I could be whining but I keep thinking if I'm paying good money for tuition, and not being out in a situation she I'm being taught material I'm going to be tested on... It doesn't seem fair!Can anything be done about this?

[itsnowornever, BSN, RN]

And in all fairness, if the OP asked "is this a good teacher" we would have said no. That's not what was asked. "Is this fair" and "can they do this" is what was asked. Yes the OP is a pre-req student however posting here leads one to believe he/she is on a nursing path hence the replies.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

I actually agree with you that it's a cop out when a teacher doesn't teach. That is their job and what our very expensive tuition pays for. I do agree that instructors can't go in depth on every subject-- but they should be doing a lot more than reading off of the power-point supplied by the text book publisher.

We had a quiz in an online class that has given no instruction, and the quiz had questions that she must have pulled from thin air since they weren't covered in the book or any of the reading materials given to us. When questioned, the teacher said, "sorry, but we don't spoon feed the information-- it's your responsibility to know this stuff"... WHAT? Well, it's your responsibility to teach-- especially if you want us to know information outside of the assigned reading.

[PRICHARILLAisMISSED]

And in all fairness, if the OP asked "is this a good teacher" we would have said no. That's not what was asked. "Is this fair" and "can they do this" is what was asked. Yes the OP is a pre-req student however posting here leads one to believe he/she is on a nursing path hence the replies.

Fair enough. Those were her specific questions. But no one just said "Yes, the teacher can do that," "No it isn't fair." What they are adding is "You're an adult now!" or "It is your responsibility to learn everything." The OP also says that she believes she should get the education she is paying for (you know, clarification and real life personal examples of the text book information), but no one addresses that unless they're telling her to "Get over it. That's just the way it is." And that's weak! Oh, about "You're an adult now," does that mean that you all think that the professor should just do the bare minimum of what is required by the University-which is, apparently, to show their faces in a classroom and click a slide and read it,- but NOT what is needed by the (paying) student?

[rubato, ASN, RN]

Oh, about "You're an adult now," does that mean that you all think that the professor should just do the bare minimum of what is required by the University-which is, apparently, to show their faces in a classroom and click a slide and read it,- but NOT what is needed by the (paying) student?

Of course not. I was only addressing the questions posed by the OP. I was also addressing her later comments. I would not want that type of professor either. We have one or two like that in my nursing program. They aren't fun and I have a lot more teaching to do to get myself ready for their portion of our tests. Thankfully, I have other, wonderful professors.

However, when the OP asked for our opinions on whether her teacher "could" do what she did, we gave her our opinion that, yes, she can. And, in order to get through that class, the OP needs to do more.

[Kimynurse]

I read only some posts

You asked for help, so how about using her pp as a guide, and fill in with Beeefier info from book.

If she goes over lets say cranial nerves and just says names, and one thing about them.

Look up in book, and add to the pps.

Good luck, it would of been nice if she said that in class.

[Stephalump]

Of course not. I was only addressing the questions posed by the OP. I was also addressing her later comments. I would not want that type of professor either. We have one or two like that in my nursing program. They aren't fun and I have a lot more teaching to do to get myself ready for their portion of our tests. Thankfully, I have other, wonderful professors.

However, when the OP asked for our opinions on whether her teacher "could" do what she did, we gave her our opinion that, yes, she can. And, in order to get through that class, the OP needs to do more.

Exactly. The OP cannot do anything about a teacher who doesn't cover all the material in lecture. I cannot do anything about a teacher who doesn't cover everything in lecture. Yes, they CAN do that. What the OP CAN do is adjust. A NS Adcom isn't going to erase a grade brought about by a teacher who didn't give you an excellent educational value for your money. The most important thing to do is to readjust to get what you want out of life.

[sharpeimom]

It isn't just about "getting your money's worth" or "they WORK for me, therefore..."

You are not at Walmart nor are your classes bluelight specials at K Mart.

You aren't at a Vo-Tech school either. You're in college. Your instructor or professor has the "right" because of something called "academic freedom" to teach using a style and by emphasizing the material he or she feels is the most vital. They really do not have the time to talk in class about EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY thing that will

or even might be on an exam. For the first twelve years of education, teachers must teach toward performance tests by school board order, but not in college.

Becoming responsible for much of your own learning is a huge change and can also be scary at times. If your instructor truly will not help you during office hours, go talk to your dept. chair or the dean. If enough students do that, I'll bet you'll see a change.

[gummi bear]

however, crappy teachers do exist.

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

It isn't just about "getting your money's worth" or "they WORK for me, therefore..."

You are not at Walmart nor are your classes bluelight specials at K Mart.

I'm sorry but I don't think we should expect to throw thousands of dollars at a class we are REQUIRED to attend and have a teacher read power points to us. You're right, this is college, not kindergarten, we don't need the teacher to read to us!!!

We are paying them to teach. We should have the right to expect to get taught in return. Yes, it is our job to study and learn how to apply what we are taught-- but we need to be taught it first.

[Dezy]

Wow I'm surprised this thread got so long.I'm also surprised that this is subject some people have to argue about. Lik, in my head, You pay good money for something, your entitled to it. To be tought and educated to the best of the teathers abilities. What good is it, going to a upposedly good school if your actually NOT getting a good education... just the name of the school. People on here that are just diving in without reading or have only read my first post are seeming to understand that I had studied for over 12 days for that midterm. I used the material she gave me. I did go over the txt book but im realizing now it asnt enough. I don't feel like the students of this class have been put in a situation for us to be successful. If im not even pointed in the right direction for godsake, how the hell does anyone learn anything??? Another, I love this forum, I tthink it can be a great place to go to, but I'm shocked and appauled at the attitudes of some people on this board. I mean... f all the human being on the planet a nurse should be understanding. I'm not asking to be babied like some people think on here. I figured this was a safe haven to go to about a problem that I assumed all nurses have shared while they went through school.I dont think anything I have asked or said on this board deserved to be slammed. And people that are standing up for me dont deserved to be attacked either for trying to be helpful...Honestly what the hell guys... why are you in nursing if you cant even be good to your own people.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

There are a number of factors here. There are bad teachers and good teachers and most students get exposed to both in their education. At the if it all, everyone takes the same nationalized test for licensure.

Most nationally accredited and reputable schools with strict admissions criteria have more good teachers then bad ones, but they also have more good students then bad ones. Inversely, less selective and less prestigious (an some even non-accredited) may have a higher percentage of bad teachers but they also likely have a higher percentage of poor students which combines to amplify the problem. Now this isn't the case for all and there are plenty if exceptions, but short of closing down poor performing schools and limiting admissions, what can be done?

And for clarification, I don't assume the OP fits into either of these groups, just speaking in generalities for the nursing profession as a whole.

[loriangel14, RN]

...... I figured this was a safe haven to go to about a problem that I assumed all nurses have shared while they went through school....

That's what you aren't getting. We HAVE gone through this.We have figured out that the there is too much info for the the teacher to cover everything in class and we had to be responsible for the rest ourselves.Everything in the book is fair game.Can a teacher use any of it on a test? Yes.