Can the Government force us back to work?

CampyCamp, RN · Mar 25, 2020

21 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:
This article is for Nigeria; Osagie Ehanire is the health minister of that country.

At first, I wondered why no one asked me before retirees. Isn't step one- ask perdiem nurses? Am I an absolute crap nurse and they'd rather a retiree? Oh. Different country. I knew I was a kickbutt nurse. ?

WookieeRN, BSN, MSN, RN · Mar 26, 2020

I mean, there is the Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) that acts as a draft for medical personnel but it’s only been around since like 1989. I also as far as I know it has ever been used, nor would it in this situation.

brap740, BSN, MSN · Mar 26, 2020

I would like to remind everyone here: We don’t work for the government. The government works for us.

Majority of nurses are hired “at will” anyway, so to me I can quit at will too, and GOVT can’t force me to come work for any reason.

“We the people. . .”

rosepetals · Mar 30, 2020

California and New York is asking for retired nurses to work.

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · Mar 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, rosepetals said:
California and New York is asking for retired nurses to work.

There's a big difference between asking and forcing.

chare · Mar 30, 2020

On 3/25/2020 at 11:58 PM, WookieeRN said:
I mean, there is the Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) that acts as a draft for medical personnel but it’s only been around since like 1989. I also as far as I know it has ever been used, nor would it in this situation.

https://www.sss.gov/about/return-to-draft/

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The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) is a standby plan developed for the Selective Service System at the request of Congress. If needed it would be used to draft health care personnel in a crisis. It is designed to be implemented in connection with a national mobilization in an emergency, and then only if Congress and the President approve the plan and pass and sign legislation to enact it. No portion of the plan is designed for implementation in peacetime. If implemented, HCPDS would:
Provide a fair and equitable draft of doctors, nurses, medical technicians and those with certain other health care skills if, in some future emergency, the military’s existing medical capability proved insufficient and there is a shortage of volunteers.
Include women, unless directed otherwise by Congress and the President.
Draft a very small percentage of America’s health care providers into military service. Impact on the availability of civilian health care would be minimal. Those health-care workers whose absence would seriously hurt their communities would be deferred on the basis of community need.
Begin a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. They would register at local post offices. HCPDS would provide medical personnel from a pool of 3.4 million doctors, nurses, specialists and allied health professionals in more than 60 fields of medicine.
Require minimal training for HCPDS draftees, because they are already skilled personnel.

rosepetals · Apr 6, 2020

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On March 30, 2020 Governor Newsom issued Executive Order N-39-20, authorizing the Director of the Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) to waive any of the professional licensing requirements relating to healing arts licensees in Division 2 of the Business and Professions Code, and any accompanying regulations. This includes, but is not limited to, the examination, education, experience, and training requirements necessary to obtain and maintain licensure, and requirements governing the practice and permissible activities for licensees.

https://thedcapage.blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DCA-COVID-EO-Press-Release-3.31.20-FINAL.pdf

CA BON re: DCA: https://www.RN.ca.gov/coronavirus.shtml

List of approved licensed healthcare related: https://www.dca.ca.gov/licensees/waiver_request_info.shtml

lifelearningrn, BSN, RN · Apr 6, 2020

I can't see how they can force retired nurses to do anything. What are they going to do? Revoke your license for refusing??

Further, it blows my mind why they'd be calling retired nurses, who are likely at a high risk age group, to the front lines of this pandemic.

toomuchbaloney · May 23, 2020

The federal and state governments are currently in the process of forcing meat processing employees into unsafe work environments. https://www.businessinsider.com/few-safeguards-meat-plant-workers-live-in-fear-2020-5

https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2020/04/28/usda-implement-president-trumps-executive-order-meat-and-poultry

Be aware that the oligarchs and kleptocrats are going to make certain that as they make it necessary to for workers to return workplace where you get the virus, that Trump and the GOP are working hard to provide them with protections from your lawsuit.

http://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/debate-flares-over-legal-protections-as-businesses-open-up

allnurses Guide · May 24, 2020

On 4/6/2020 at 10:42 AM, rosepetals said:
https://thedcapage.blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DCA-COVID-EO-Press-Release-3.31.20-FINAL.pdf
CA BON re: DCA: https://www.RN.ca.gov/coronavirus.shtml
List of approved licensed healthcare related: https://www.dca.ca.gov/licensees/waiver_request_info.shtml

Thank you for the links!

I am a 75 year old Californian and a retired registered nurse. When I first retired I kept my license. Then I put it on inactive status because I hadn't taken 30 hours of CE classes. Last year I chose not to pay to renew it.

Just to be clear there is and has not been a requirement for any RN to work against his or her will.

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Pursuant to the Governor's Executive Order N-39-20, during the State of Emergency, the Director of the California Department of Consumer Affairs may waive any statutory or regulatory requirements with respect to a professional license issued pursuant to Division 2 of the Business and Professions Code (the Code), including the requirements to reactivate or restore a license to active status. Accordingly, the Director temporarily waives any statutory or regulatory requirement that an individual seeking to reactivate or restore a license originally issued pursuant to Division 2 of the Code
https://covid-19.dca.ca.gov/backToActive

This temporary waiver regarding Nursing Student Clinical hours was signed on April 3, 2020 and is in effect for 60 days. It does NOT void the requirement that

https://www.dca.ca.gov/licensees/clinical_hours.pdf

If hospitals obey the law regarding staffing and competency it could be safe for a new grad who has not yet completed all required clinical hours to assist experienced staff in an emergency. I don't think any were actually needed. The second paragraph of our California regulations regarding nursing staff assignments states:

"No hospital shall assign a licensed nurse to a nursing unit or clinical area unless that hospital determines that the licensed nurse has demonstrated current competence in providing care in that area, and has also received orientation to that hospital's clinical area sufficient to provide competent care to patients in that area. The policies and procedures of the hospital shall contain the hospital's criteria for making this determination...

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I8612C410941F11E29091E6B951DDF6CE?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)

https://www.dca.ca.gov/licensees/clinical_hours.pdf

allnurses Guide · May 24, 2020

I think it is so wrong for meat processing employees have to choose whether to risk their lives or quit their jobs and not qualify for unemployment insurance. I wonder if any one has sued about this.

toomuchbaloney · May 24, 2020

1 minute ago, herring_RN said:
I think it is so wrong for meat processing employees have to choose whether to risk their lives or quit their jobs and not qualify for unemployment insurance. I wonder if any one has sued about this.

The president is working with lawmakers to craft legislation to protect the employers from employee lawsuits. The workers have no power and no recourse.

This is tyranny.