Anti-vax nurses? Are you serious?

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We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.

I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?

As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.

I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?

I think pharmaceuticals should be used as a last resort. I think that many ailments people have could be resolved with a simple elimination diet to find out what they are sensitive to. I think most often, diet change is enough. If not, then other things should be looked at, such as sleep, stress, labs, urine, etc. maybe more adjustments can be made. Drugs should always be a last resort in my opinion. They are expensive and often have negative side effects, and many drugs only mask the problem, they do not resolve it.

Yes, we should quit giving type 1 diabetics insulin, since it truly does not resolve the problem and only treats the symptoms.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.
An estimate. It's a guess. Because we could not know what would happen without vaccines could we? We don't know if everyone would suddenly get a disease or not because everyone is getting vaccinated. Have you ever thought that these diseases were eradicated prior to the introduction of the vaccine? If so, the vaccine would look like the savior, when in reality, the incidence of the disease was already in decline. People lived longer that 50 years. My great grandma lived to almost 90. She was born in the 19th century.

I've tried to stay out of this since it has become quite heated, but there is no way I can sit by and quietly accept this. Diseases like polio, tetorifice, etc. have not been eradicated by natural selection. The recent outbreak of measles is not because natural selection stepped in and decided to bring it back. Here's a graph from 2013 illustrating the prevalence of preventable disease in areas that do not vaccinate:

Worldwide disease incidence of vaccine-preventable diseases

Even though some diseases may not be making people sick in your neighborhood, they may be common in other parts of the world. Given that people commonly travel for business, to visit family and friends, with relief groups, and for vacation, the viruses or bacteria that cause diseases can easily hitch a ride.” Here is a look at the worldwide prevalence of many vaccine-preventable diseases:

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[TH]Disease[/TH]

[TH]Worldwide Cases/Year[/TH]

[TH]Worldwide Deaths/Year[/TH]

[TH]U.S. Cases/Year[/TH]

[TH]U.S. Deaths/Year[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Anthrax[/TD]

[TD]2,000[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]1-2[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Cholera[/TD]

[TD]3-5 million[/TD]

[TD]> 100,000[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Diphtheria[/TD]

[TD]50,000[/TD]

[TD]25,000[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Hepatitis A[/TD]

[TD]1.4 million[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]17,000[/TD]

[TD]≤100[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Hepatitis B[/TD]

[TD]2 billion[/TD]

[TD]1 million[/TD]

[TD]100,000[/TD]

[TD]5,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)[/TD]

[TD]7-8 million[/TD]

[TD]199,000[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Human Papillomavirus[/TD]

[TD]530,000 cases of cervical cancer[/TD]

[TD]> 270,000[/TD]

[TD]14 million infections,

25,000 cases of cancer caused by HPV[/TD]

[TD]4,000 deaths from cervical cancer[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Influenza[/TD]

[TD]3-5 million severe cases[/TD]

[TD]250,000 - 500,000[/TD]

[TD]30 million - 60 million[/TD]

[TD]Up to 40,000[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Japanese Encephalitis Virus (JEV)[/TD]

[TD]20,000[/TD]

[TD]6,000[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Meningococcus[/TD]

[TD]500,000[/TD]

[TD] 50,000[/TD]

[TD]550[/TD]

[TD]50[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Measles[/TD]

[TD]344,000[/TD]

[TD]145,000[/TD]

[TD]600[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Mumps[/TD]

[TD]719,000[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Pertussis[/TD]

[TD]30-50 million[/TD]

[TD]300,000[/TD]

[TD]48,277 reported cases[/TD]

[TD]20[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Pneumococcus[/TD]

[TD]14.5 million[/TD]

[TD]476,000[/TD]

[TD]1,000,000[/TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Polio[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Rabies[/TD]

[TD]15 million[/TD]

[TD]55,000[/TD]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Rotavirus[/TD]

[TD]138 million[/TD]

[TD]450,000[/TD]

[TD]500,000[/TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Rubella[/TD]

[TD]110,000[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]≤ 10[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Shingles[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]1 million[/TD]

[TD]96[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Tetorifice[/TD]

[TD]500,000-1 million[/TD]

[TD]72,600[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]3-4[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Tuberculosis[/TD]

[TD]9 million[/TD]

[TD]1.5 million[/TD]

[TD]9,582[/TD]

[TD]536[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Typhoid[/TD]

[TD]21 million[/TD]

[TD]200,000[/TD]

[TD]5,700[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Varicella (Chickenpox)[/TD]

[TD]80-90 million[/TD]

[TD]Unavailable[/TD]

[TD]

[TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Yellow Fever[/TD]

[TD]200,000[/TD]

[TD]30,000[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[TD]0[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=colspan: 5]*Data represented in this table was compiled from multiple sources and in most cases rounded to the nearest thousand. The information presented represents the most recent data available.

If you know of updates, please contact us by e-mailing [email protected]. Be sure to include the source of your information.[/TD]

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[/TABLE]

Updated: February 2013


My great grandmother also lived to 99, my grandparents lived into their 80's but that is the exception, not the rule. To prevent another long graph taking up space, heres' a link to just one simple graph showing the change in life expectancy just in the US from 1850 when it was a bit below 40 to 2000 by which time it had changed to slightly below 80.

Mapping History

Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.

Here is one more relevant abstract: Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States [link] JAMA Network | JAMA | Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States

I think the AMA is pretty reputable source material

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
Chemo is probably one of the worst things you could put into someone. It damages the body and most people end up dying from the chemo itself and not the cancer.

Then I guess I and all of my co-workers should be charged with murder.

Beyond that, I am speechless.

Then I guess I and all of my co-workers should be charged with murder.

Beyond that, I am speechless.

I'm trying to distinguish between misunderstanding and deliberate misstatement of fact. No answer just yet.

My Dad had non Hodgkins lymphoma, which has a high rate of cure with chemo and is most certainly fatal if left untreated.

Do you suppose if he had just gone on a really good diet he would have been cured?

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I think pharmaceuticals should be used as a last resort. I think that many ailments people have could be resolved with a simple elimination diet to find out what they are sensitive to.

Alright, you've just lost me.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
I'm trying to distinguish between misunderstanding and deliberate misstatement of fact. No answer just yet.

My Dad had non Hodgkins lymphoma, which has a high rate of cure with chemo and is most certainly fatal if left untreated.

Do you suppose if he had just gone on a really good diet he would have been cured?

Only if it was gluten-free!

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
I don't get my news from natural news, nor do I go there for research. I'm not doing the research for you. I did my own. If you care to look objectively from all angles, I have posted links. This one......Vaccines ProCon.org. I have posted it several times. If any of you care to visit it, you might see research and data that supports both sides of the argument. There are footnotes throughout that you can click on to go and "see" the research. I have read cochrane studies on the issue. Scientific journal sites cost money in order to view some studies. If you care to enlighten yourself, you have to be willing to click on the links I provided. You all continue to bash and gloss over any data I provide. I'm done.

I am under the impression that many of you have no clue about health. You have no clue about the importance of nutrition and building a healthy immune system (which is God given and perfectly capable of fighting off disease). You have no clue that about 80% of the immune system is within the gut, or that fermented foods, with all their good bacteria, can heal people and prevent disease. I do not fear disease because I do my best to prevent it by not eating processed junk food and supporting my immune system by incorporating healing foods. Someday, some of you might face a health issue and realize medicine is not the only answer because medicine covers up symptoms but never gets to the root cause. I don't need to put my faith in a vaccine. People survived for years before vaccines, and besides that, the diseases we vaccinate against were already in decline prior to them being given. You want the research...don't be lazy, it's out there....go find and read it.

Have any of you read what the Cardiologist in Arizona had to say about his kids and the measles vaccine? He is not the only medical professional out there that feels that way.

Where is your data? You still haven't linked any. You keep talking about it but you have yet to post any.

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I think pharmaceuticals should be used as a last resort. I think that many ailments people have could be resolved with a simple elimination diet to find out what they are sensitive to. I think most often, diet change is enough. If not, then other things should be looked at, such as sleep, stress, labs, urine, etc. maybe more adjustments can be made. Drugs should always be a last resort in my opinion. They are expensive and often have negative side effects, and many drugs only mask the problem, they do not resolve it.

I think I'll stop taking my lithium and geodon to try an elimination diet; what could possibly go wrong?

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Alright, you've just lost me.

I just...can't either...:no:

As to the meds as a "last resort" comment-------> :laugh:

And this: :roflmao:

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
I think pharmaceuticals should be used as a last resort. I think that many ailments people have could be resolved with a simple elimination diet to find out what they are sensitive to. I think most often, diet change is enough. If not, then other things should be looked at, such as sleep, stress, labs, urine, etc. maybe more adjustments can be made. Drugs should always be a last resort in my opinion. They are expensive and often have negative side effects, and many drugs only mask the problem, they do not resolve it.

You may want to reconsider your career as an RN and perhaps think about dietetics/nutrition or a doctor of naturopathy.

Elimination diet will not cure my asthma. Nor will it cute my child's neurological condition. It did help an unrelated GI issue but it had NOTHING to do with a dietary sensitivity but a bona fide (verified by IG labs) allergy.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I think I'll stop taking my lithium and geodon to try an elimination diet; what could possibly go wrong?

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Yeah...my gluten free diet was NoT curing my PTSD....what could I have done wrong???

Oh yeah, NOT TAKE MEDICINE.

Ok, that was my last comment....carry on brave souls! :up:

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