Allnurses Debates!

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This website, all nurses, has TOS which have guidelines to which members need to adhere. Under Posting information, it states "We promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone as long as your criticism is constructive and polite..."

In a nutshell, that's a very good guideline, basically stating, "feel free to disagree, but be polite about it".

There have been instances where debates went outside of these guidelines and those in control reacted appropriately, giving guidance, deleting inappropriate posts, etc.

In addition to the guidelines of the TOS, debating premises in a polite society have other certain specific guidelines.  Guidelines, if not to which are adhered, become as Daisy4RN stated, "a blood bath".

I would enjoy reviewing- and applying- the guidelines of debating in a polite society in this thread. There is a specific systematic approach to the art of debate as there is to any professional procedure we have, as nurses, utilized.

The first step on any debate is to present a premise, which is a statement based on a belief or opinion. Any premise needs to have facts to support it. Documented and/or empirical facts are the strongest. Facts based on feelings or emotions are the weakest, since they are usually not based in logic.

The counter premise requires the same guidelines with opposing facts in which it is to be supported.

Each needs to be presented directly as a statement. Many premises on this website are inferred or presented as questions. The questions are often passive-aggressive in nature and merely infer the premise.

We now need to come up with premise so a counter premise can be formulated.

Specializes in ER.

I just don't like discussing things with unintelligent people. It's a waste of time. There are a lot of idiots online. Just read the comments under the ads on facebook. It's very entertaining.

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Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
1 minute ago, Emergent said:

I just don't like discussing things with unintelligent people.

So, like, (insert sarcastic comment here).

Specializes in ER.
23 minutes ago, Davey Do said:

So, like, (insert sarcastic comment here).

I'm a snob, that's the long and short of it. I find most people rather intellectually shallow. 

It's like the debate between a vegan and a carnivore. That's how the debates are around here. They are a total waste of time. It's like debating the virtues of almond milk with a redneck.

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Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
2 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I'm a snob, that's the long and short of it.  

This is one of the reasons why our allnurses marriage works out, dear.

6 minutes ago, Emergent said:

I find most people rather intellectually shallow. 

I'm so glad that you looked for me and found me in the intellectually shallow end of the pool.

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Specializes in ER.

I support the "I'm taking my ball and going home" method. If someone says "I wouldnt want you to be MY nurse!" I just sigh and quit talking. We're supposed to be exchanging ideas, not judging each others worth.

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Specializes in Dialysis.

If it's a topic that I care about, I'll debate it to the death. If it doesn't interest me, I'll scroll on by. I've had my skills and intelligence questioned, simply because my beliefs don't align with another poster's. Not worth my effort. But I do often check back in and cheer those on who do pick up and carry on the fight. In the words of William Devane in Space Cowboys "I'm getting too old for this ****"

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Specializes in ER.

The idea that if someone doesn't want to debate you, that they don't tolerate other ideas is absurd. It just means I don't want to talk to you about that particular subject.

I've seen debates here go on back and forth for pages and pages. People quote one another and then say the predictable response. Often it's based on political ideology it seems. I can't imagine doing that. Nothing ever comes of it.

If I ghost you on a thread it means I think I would be wasting my breath. There's no point in responding, I don't owe my time to anyone here. I come to this site for enjoyment, and if I don't enjoy getting grilled by some idiot at allnurses, I have the choice to not answer them.

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Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.

I generally don't want to spend the mental bandwidth to put together arguments that are scientifically sound when I come here with a thought. I'm sure I'm one of the people who use more "arguments" based on just my perspective and sometimes emotional response. If it were something that I was truly thinking had to be said, I would put forth more effort, but as others have pointed out, it seems like that the number of people that have changed their opinion, ever, on anything, based on internet message boards, is quite small (another unsupported anecdotal opinion). 

I sometimes follow the debates with a mild amount of interest and sometimes I just pass on by. I do find it disappointing, though, when people cannot separate a difference of opinion from a personal attack. 

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

My post count has been reset to a much lower number during an upgrade, but I at one point had over 50,000 posts and I'm sure I've added about 10,000 more since then.  So obviously I love discussion, particularly about politics.

I find the overwhelming majority of people here reasonable to have a discussion with and I try to be reasonable myself.  

Every now and then there's a troll I won't engage in.

 

 

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Topic moved to the Breakroom Club Coffee Lounge.

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Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).

"Just enjoying my coffee." -Walter Sobchak, The Big Babinski

14 hours ago, Emergent said:

I just don't like discussing things with unintelligent people. It's a waste of time.

Emergent's premise: Unintelligent people are not enjoyable with which to have discussions.

Davey Do's counter premise: It is the personality and not the intellectual level that determines a discussion's enjoyability potential.

One past member on these forums was obviously very intelligent but was not widely liked. Words like "obnoxious" and "caustic" were used to describe him.

When he debated, his points of logic were infallible, but he regularly attacked the other members with putdowns, for example referring to their grip on reality.

I've been honored to have had entertaining and great discussions with individuals who were mentally handicapped. One that comes to mind was with a resident of a DD facility about construction that was going on outside of the window of his room. He could give a play by play of the goings on with onomatopoeia to enhance his narratives. And, he was open to questions, for example, as to his interest in certain aspects of the construction.

Therefore, it is not the intellectual abilities which determine a discussion's enjoyment potential, it is the personality.

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Specializes in Dialysis.
6 minutes ago, Davey Do said:

Therefore, it is not the intellectual abilities which determine a discussion's enjoyment potential, it is the personality.

Agreed! A person with a decent personality will debate, with facts, or at least leave emotion out. A good personality will never attack others. We gig at each other on jest though ?

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