Abdominal IV

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Recently in our Emergency Department we had a patient going to the ICU who is a frequent flyer, substance abuser, with very difficult veins. Multiple attempts at a peripheral IV were attempted in the hands, forearms, antecubitals, feet, and legs, until we came across a very straight, juicy, superficial vein in the abdomen. The catheter was placed just like in any other site, blood return, easy flush, etc. A supervisor walked by and saw this and now I am getting detailed from my department because she says this is an "inappropriate site" for an IV. When I asked "Why?" She stated because she's never seen one there before. Now my colleagues say they have seen this before, and the ED Physician backed me as well, but I was wondering if anybody else has done this or seen it done? And if there is any literature supporting or opposing this as an appropriate IV site. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

And FYI, the site held up through 2L of Normal Saline and some much needed meds until the patient pulled it out.

ED nurses never cease to amaze me with their IV skills. I get admits all the time with 2 #20s, labs, and 2 sets of blood cultures sent and I just think "how?!" You guys could get blood out of a rock.

I have never even seen or heard of an abdo IV but if the patient got their fluid and critical meds then so be it. They'll get more stable access in the unit.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
ED nurses never cease to amaze me with their IV skills. I get admits all the time with 2 #20s, labs, and 2 sets of blood cultures sent and I just think "how?!" You guys could get blood out of a rock.

I have never even seen or heard of an abdo IV but if the patient got their fluid and critical meds then so be it. They'll get more stable access in the unit.

*** Our ER calls us (the RRT RNs) when they can't get an IV and it's not critical enough to place IO. If they do place an IO then the ICU will call us to replace with PIV when they get to the ICU and patient is more stable but doesn't need pressors (then they would get a nurse or MD placed central line). Also get called to ER when none of the ER nurses can get labs. We can do arterial sticks for labs since we also place art lines.

Specializes in Neuro ICU and Med Surg.

Your supervisors reaction was so silly. I have seen IV's in other places like legs, feet, and the superficial chest veins. I am surprised that they didn't opt for IO or a central line.

Specializes in ICU/PACU.

I'd say thank you for starting it. You don't always get a chance to put in central lines in the ED before coming to Icu. Some people automatically assume things they haven't seen are wrong without thinking. Not surprising.

Specializes in Med/surg, Tele, educator, FNP.

I have started iv's peripherally in the chest and breast when there was no other access and it was fine.

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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I've seen it...if it can be cannulated it can be used. There are facilities that do NOT like IO's except in an emergency. I have worked at facilities where the ED docs would agree to anything than start a central line. It is a temporary line to get initial stuff done but needs to be changed ASAP.

Specializes in Emergency/Cath Lab.

Its like the stupid cat posters " I fits, I sits". If I can cram an IV in it, I will. In a pinch anything is better than nothing.

*most places

Specializes in Going to Peds!.

Next time, use that big forehead vein...

:-D

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

When I worked in oncology, we used any vein we could find. As long as the site had good blood return, I don't see the problem.

Specializes in ED.

I have placed one iv in the abd once for a similar patient who was going to the floor for chest pain. She wasn't critical, seemed non-cardiac, and was just on obs for the night, but since she was a cp she needed at least one. Due to her abd distention/liver issues she had a few clearly visible veins, one of which took a 22g. The night nursing supervisor gave me a line of we don't start iv's there because its not protocol. What are you going to do, she had one that worked in the off chance something happened overnight to her. I wasn't detailed though...

I have also started breast, foot, and leg iv's. I had one poor woman who ended up with tassles because she was cardiac related cp with hypotension. The doctor was tied up so in the mean time I gave her a couple of iv's, one in each breast.

Specializes in Vascular Access.

There is a reason why this is not done.... Your supervisor's hesitency is NOT SILLY, but actually has merit.

As a clinician, one must take into account the possibility of what an infiltrate, or in the case that you're administering a vesicant, an exravasation can do to this area. Many nurses have seen the awful outcomes which occur when a nasty drug has caused the tissues surrounding the vein to necrose and die. What will this do to the Abd? Or, will your patient need a Mastectomy when it's given in the vein that's arising out of the breast tissue.

How are you going to defend your stance in a court of law?

Do you not have a nurse trained in Ultrasound in your facility? They can locate a vein to use, in most cases.

You must ask yourself, WHY is this vein there in the first place. It is NOT usually seen in these atypical places. So, is it there because blood flow is impaired elsewhere and this is the collateral vessel?

I don't think this is an approriate vein to choose in any case.

Specializes in Neuro ICU and Med Surg.

Just because you haven't seen it done before is silly logic to use as to why something can't be done. I still think an IO or central line would have been better. At my facility the only nurses trained to use the ultrasound are the PICC team and they aren't 24/7. Our RRT nurses aren't trained with the ultrasound either. We have asked and have not received training. Our house docs overnight don't know how to place IV by ultrasound either. The surgical resident will, but the last one he had all kinds of difficulty placing that line, every time the vein collapsed when he tried to cannulate it. So ultrasound isn't fool proof.

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