Abandoning family in the ED during the holidays

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Every year, during the holiday season, we have an influx of patients that seemed to have been dropped off in the ED for the convenience of their family. Some people will probably say that there's no way for me to know if that's what is really happening, but we have noticed there are a few things these patients have in common. Nurses that have been there a while say it happens every year.

These people will come in via ambulance, from home, no family present. Chief complaint will be something like the patient suddenly started acting weird. The patient will show no signs of distress, all vital signs normal, labs and scans will be either normal or no changes since their last visit. Pulling up the patient's history will show an extensive and well documented history of Alzheimer's or dementia. All phone calls to emergency contacts will be ignored. While in the hospital, these patients are always VERY difficult...they are confused, trying to escape, biting, kicking, screaming.

Occasionally we will get someone who is A&Ox4, with reported suicidal ideations (which they deny). They will have some sort of chronic illness, but no s/s of an exacerbation. These people are usually HUGE jerks, abusive towards staff, sometimes to the point of being violent.

A day or two after the holiday, right when we've started trying to line an LTC bed, the family shows up, and wants them discharged immediately.

It's not just a couple people, it's a TON of them, each holiday. Sometimes, the same person will be there over Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's almost like word has gotten out in the community that the hospital can babysit Grandpa so they can enjoy Thanksgiving without any interruptions. Am I crazy, or is this a common occurrence?

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Aren't there places for respite care?

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Hideous family members doing this....it's been a problem for time immemorial.

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they also do this when planning trips/vacations out of town...dump Granny and go to the Caymans. Nice.

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YES THERE ARE. but they are too lazy, cheap, or careless to use them.

Aren't there places for respite care?
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Wow...just wow. I'm new to hospital nursing, this is only my 2nd holiday season at my current job and I only work weekends. I'll have to be more observant.

I did however work in a nursing home for many years, and noticed an obvious pattern of family members who were impossible to reach over the holidays or the unusually high rate of new nursing home admissions that came around early November, then around mid January would be discharged back to live with their adult child.

Aren't there places for respite care?

There are waitlists for respite care. It's not cheap. There are emergency spots but those are like hen's teeth.

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There are waitlists for respite care. It's not cheap. There are emergency spots but those are like hen's teeth.

Where are you located? We have no shortage of facilities that offer respite. Most LTC facilities and many (if not most) SNF offer respite. I think the better answer is most people don't want to PAY for it, as it's not cheap, where is Medicare will pay for the hospital visit.

I've got to say I'm so disgusted by the way the elderly in this country are treated in general.

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Hospitals should stop admitting people that don't qualify for admission.

Yea, however doctors and nurses have a duty of care, just because the 'Smith' family have grandma admitted and then disappear off the face of the earth for two weeks, we cant just chuck them out if they arent able to be at home on their own

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I ask this because in all honesty, I do not know: What can you do with a 'drop-off' who has no-one with them and no place to be returned to? It's not like child-protective services where they can foster kids on a fairly short notice; or is there a place? I know there is APS, but can they find someone a bed on the spur of the moment?

Families or CG's who do this should have some kind of legal action taken against them.

If neglect is suspected, then the date can be called and a court-ordered POA can be appointed.

Plenty of the residents where I worked at were "drop-off" cases of neglect. :no:

Yep, it sure does happen :(

There's also a couple of nursing homes in the area that are famous for residents who develop 'fevers' and simply must be sent to the hospital......usually on a Friday, and usually before a holiday. And if it's a holiday weekend? Bang: a few more senior citizens who have a 'change of mental status'. Yeah....that's the same 'change' you sent them here for before the last TWO holidays. Can always tell when their staffing is low. :(

I don't really understand this one. I can (sort of) understand the families dropping people off, but why would a nursing home do that? They won't get paid if the resident is not at their long term care facility, right?

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I don't really understand this one. I can (sort of) understand the families dropping people off, but why would a nursing home do that? They won't get paid if the resident is not at their long term care facility, right?

Its not the staff but the out of town/ never visit family who remember Granny from the late 1980's. They show up and insist something is terribly wrong and granny better be sent to the hospital before the "family" presses charges against the facility.

To all these replys: wow. It never ceases to amaze me how shameless people can be. Also, thank you for the word "dumping," I didn't realize it had a name!

I can take a whole lot of crap without my day being ruined, but feeling like I'm being taken advantage of gets under my skin like nothing else.

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