I wanted to address a few things after reading the responses I received from my first article: " I failed out of nursing school... Appealed and WON!! Some were comical, most of them were critical, many were rude, but a few were really sweet and I appreciate the kind words.
First Point I would like to address is the misspelling of "Baccalaureate" . I am not the best at spelling, and yes I am ADHD. I have always struggled and because of my learning disability I tend to be impulsive. I should have used spellcheck. Lesson learned. It was a mistake. I'm not perfect, never have been and don't ever care to be.
After reading the enormous amount of rude,funny, and downright hateful comment's regarding the ADN Vs. BSN comment. I want to SINCERELY apologize to those who thought I was being demeaning or downplaying the role of ADN nurses, LPNs etc. That was never my intention. After re-reading my post as well as the comments I received I now realize I probably should have chosen my words more wisely or maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that in my post in the first place. This issue was recently brought up in my Leadership & Nursing Management class, I actually spoke out and said that a new graduate BSN nurse would not be as equipped as the ADN nurse with a number of years experience. My professor quickly responded saying that I was wrong, which I found to be odd because I know for a fact that as a new grad (in a few months) I will not have the experience or confidence that a seasoned ADN nurse has. I respect all healthcare professionals and I certainly do not think I am better just because I had to take two extra classes in order to receive my BSN (I am sure this will be taken out of context & and will receive comments that are mean.. go ahead I have tough skin)
Third point I would like to address is: I found it really disheartening that some of the rude/hateful comments I received were from nurses both ADN & BSN, nursing professors etc. Nurses care for others, we ALL have or should have compassion. Last time I checked, When a person decides to become a nurse, they make the most important decision of their lives. They choose to dedicate themselves to the care of others. Some of the comments I read had no compassion, they lacked understanding, and these were written by nurses?!
Last point I would like to address and mention is that I may have failed but it wasn't because I didn't study or worked hard. I wasn't the only one who failed. 11 out of 30 SENIOR NURSING students failed this particular class. Students with 4.0 GPA's, and even one's who have never failed anything in their ENTIRE life. Nine students appealed and there were only TWO that were successful including myself. I am very fortunate to have won my appeal and know that I will BE ONE HELL OF A NURSE & hopefully one day Professor.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, and I understand that I may have offended many of the readers, however again that was not my intention. I apologize and I hope that I straightened out a few issues. ALSO I want to shout out to the HATERS.... THANK YOU!
Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
So 11/30 people failed the class, did they all fail once before? Did they adjust points for everyone in the class when they changed the answers?
Being impulsive is not a good excuse to not double or triple check work. Would you submit a paper without looking it over at least once? I'm super impulsive but I aways double check before I send out anything whether it's an email or even just a post here in AN.
This is the internet & you posted on a public forum. Not everyone is going to sing you praises.
Specializes in Oncology/StemCell Transplant; Psychiatry.
Why does nursing allow this kind of BS? You never hear other professionals boasting that they failed out of school twice, and were able to appeal to their school and win. I've never even heard of any physicians failing out of med school once. I think nursing is too lax in it's educational requirements, and it makes the whole profession look bad.
I've also never seen anyone on the Student Doctor Forums sing Taylor Swift songs, but that's a whole different pet peeve.
I think you might be new to the Internet, or perhaps just forums in general. Two notes:
1. Before you post something, consider it from all angles and how it might be interpreted. Ensure that it is a well-formulated post, that your grammar is on point, and that it is easy to read.
2. If you upset somebody, address it in that thread. You are not important enough to warrant a whole new thread explaining yourself.
I'm the type of person who thinks, I've you have failed you need to face the music. Depending on your program, that may mean re-applying, or taking the class over. Convincing someone that you need another chance after two failures is not going to be perceived as "winning" or victory by everyone. What do you do if you fail again? If you think getting your ADN is an easier option, think again. ADN programs are not consolation prizes for people who fail their BSN programs. They are just as challenging. You say you don't wish to offend, but you still are with some of your responses.
For those who commend the OP for "over coming adversity", what will you say when she believes she is entitled to special consideration at work? Will she get a pass for showing up a half hour late everyday or shoddy nursing practice? Or will you overlook it due to her " greatness".
I think you might be new to the Internet, or perhaps just forums in general. Two notes:
1. Before you post something, consider it from all angles and how it might be interpreted. Ensure that it is a well-formulated post, that your grammar is on point, and that it is easy to read.
2. If you upset somebody, address it in that thread. You are not important enough to warrant a whole new thread explaining yourself.
​1. You are correct. I am new to this internet forum thing. I realized that I should have chosen my words a little more wisely. And yes I will be using spellcheck for now on.
2. I would have posted in the OP to address the issues that were brought up. However, the thread was closed. I didn't even look at it until yesterday. Also, I don't think that I am so important that I should be warranted a "whole new thread". I am shocked that people cared enough to even read my thread, let alone leave comments. My OP is listed on the main page of AN and has close to 20,000 views, at the end of the day I find that pretty cool. People are going to think and say what they want. I wanted my story to be known/heard and it looks like I did just that.
Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
I'm the type of person who thinks, I've you have failed you need to face the music. Depending on your program, that may mean re-applying, or taking the class over. Convincing someone that you need another chance after two failures is not going to be perceived as "winning" or victory by everyone. What do you do if you fail again? If you think getting your ADN is an easier option, think again. ADN programs are not consolation prizes for people who fail their BSN programs. They are just as challenging. You say you don't wish to offend, but you still are with some of your responses.
For those who commend the OP for "over coming adversity", what will you say when she believes she is entitled to special consideration at work? Will she get a pass for showing up a half hour late everyday or shoddy nursing practice? Or will you overlook it due to her " greatness".
I agree. If you fail, you fail. I have never heard of so much appealing & getting back in as this. I wouldn't appeal if I failed, I believe if I failed it would be MY fault. Unless there was some gross misconduct on the school's part. But it is the student's part to study & get the grades. Why do kid's nowadays think if they fail it's the school's fault & they can appeal? No. If you failed, you need to readjust your study habits.
To OrganizedChaos- (You sure do like to ruffle my feathers lol )
There were many systematic errors and discrepancies. As well as miscommunication between the professors and the students. Also there was a lack of consistency among the courses that caused so many students to be unsuccessful. I didn't fail because I didn't study or didn't work hard enough. I failed by less than half a point (0.43), students with 4.0 GPAs even failed. If 11 out of 30 students fail a class, then that isn't just a coincidence. Obviously there were issues that affected almost half of a class from being successful. I am fortunate that my appeal was successful and I am ECSTATIC about graduating in a few months. Also, I don't think that my appeal would have been accepted if I didn't make valid points, and the school realized that there was a misconduct on their part. I have had one hell of a nursing school journey and I AM PROUD to say I will be writing RN behind my name in a few months. I worked very hard and I earned it!
Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.
To OrganizedChaos- (You sure do like to ruffle my feathers lol )
There were many systematic errors and discrepancies. As well as miscommunication between the professors and the students. Also there was a lack of consistency among the courses that caused so many students to be unsuccessful. I didn't fail because I didn't study or didn't work hard enough. I failed by less than half a point (0.43), students with 4.0 GPAs even failed. If 11 out of 30 students fail a class, then that isn't just a coincidence. Obviously there were issues that affected almost half of a class from being successful. I am fortunate that my appeal was successful and I am ECSTATIC about graduating in a few months. Also, I don't think that my appeal would have been accepted if I didn't make valid points, and the school realized that there was a misconduct on their part. I have had one hell of a nursing school journey and I AM PROUD to say I will be writing RN behind my name in a few months. I worked very hard and I earned it!
Regards, JB
You still failed once before & you failed again. I'm not changing my stance. The first time you failed should've been it. That's how it works. Every time a student appeals a failure I just can't get over the sense of entitlement. I will never agree & I'm not the only one.
If there were so many discrepancies then they should've changed all the answers for everyone & there shouldn't have been so many failures. I never failed ONE class in my nursing education.
I appreciate anyone who takes the time to come back and explain themselves after posting a thread that causes a stir. Far too many "hit and run" one-post wonders who stir the pot only to run and hide. It shows integrity to come back and engage.
But, as to the comment in question that caused all the commotion in the first place.... I hope you realize it was more than poorly chosen words. Your original comment in the original thread was pretty unambiguous in its meaning. You felt that a lack of critical thinking skills is what separates an ADN grad from a BSN.
Instead of thinking to yourself: "I should have chosen my words better" or "I shouldn't have said anything", I hope you're instead thinking: "I was wrong".
I do think that I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place, I apologized and admitted that it was wrong. I do not think a nurse with a two year degree lacks critical thinking skills, and I've mentioned in previous posts that I respect all healthcare professionals. It takes a whole team to take care of one patient. Nurses, Physicians, Occupational Therapists, Physical Therapists, Respiratory Therapists, Dietary, and Medical Assistants all play huge roles. Even the custodial staff are important. Each person is valuable and makes a difference. Without any of the roles or professions listed above we couldn't do what we do best.
You still failed once before & you failed again. I'm not changing my stance. The first time you failed should've been it. That's how it works. Every time a student appeals a failure I just can't get over the sense of entitlement. I will never agree & I'm not the only one.
If there were so many discrepancies then they should've changed all the answers for everyone & there shouldn't have been so many failures. I never failed ONE class in my nursing education.
They did change the answers for everyone, and you are right there should have not been so many failures. Since then they have made changes and there have been no other failures. The only "sense of entitlement" I have is the diploma I will receive in a few months and the letters RN behind my name that I literally fought tooth and nail for. That is awesome that you never failed a class in your nursing education. I am thankful for my failures because they taught me many valuable lessons. I am much more appreciative of my education/career than I was before. I will forever be grateful for my struggles because without them I would not be the young woman I am today.
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OrganizedChaos, LVN
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So 11/30 people failed the class, did they all fail once before? Did they adjust points for everyone in the class when they changed the answers?
Being impulsive is not a good excuse to not double or triple check work. Would you submit a paper without looking it over at least once? I'm super impulsive but I aways double check before I send out anything whether it's an email or even just a post here in AN.
This is the internet & you posted on a public forum. Not everyone is going to sing you praises.