A list of states that do not except EC

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I'm sure this question has come up plenty of times. So I was thinking that we could come together and create a list, and then maybe the moderator can make it a sticky (if there isn't one already).

I was informed that Maryland and California is part of the NOT RECOGNIZED list.

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http://www.bvnpt.ca.gov/Licensing/Licensed_Vocational_Nurses.asp
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good grief i forgot to post the link....thanks craig.....

the link did not come through, i by no means doubt you at all that this does happen. i meant i personally just have not heard of it and do not think alot of cna's know about it. i would agree it is very unsafe. you mine as well just hand out them out like cracker jack prizes........
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I thought the link you were talking about was a thread on AN. I used the bvnpt thread multiple times as that is the board I fall under.

The CNA's must fall under method #3. IMO it still is not safe even with 51months of working they do not perform nursing duties in that time. Like I said leave it to CA........to be the exception to everything...... But they won't grandfather an LVN with double didgit experience to RN if they can pass the boards.......WOW

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The way they currently do it is to look at the program where the applicant received their prelicensure education (the program that led to the initial RN licensure).

In this case, graduate education (from EC or elsewhere) wouldn't be a factor in determining eligibility for the RN licensure.

Eric.... Is this to say that if I had not have finished EC prior the December 2003 deadline then I would not have been able to practice either as an RN since completing a BSN from a "brick and mortar" school or as an APN when I finish anesthesia school? I was certain that continued education and experience would erase any hesitation the CA BON would have on the issue. This was only an assumption and I must say I am not interested enough in working in CA to go through the hassle of calling them to find out. I am sure someone here would have the answer for the sake of curiosity.

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Eric.... Is this to say that if I had not have finished EC prior the December 2003 deadline then I would not have been able to practice either as an RN since completing a BSN from a "brick and mortar" school or as an APN when I finish anesthesia school? I was certain that continued education and experience would erase any hesitation the CA BON would have on the issue. This was only an assumption and I must say I am not interested enough in working in CA to go through the hassle of calling them to find out. I am sure someone here would have the answer for the sake of curiosity.

The only people who can answer that question is the CA Board of Nuring. Any information from anyone else is hearsay information. Each person is a little different, and each set of circumstancis is different. If you truly want the information you have to ask them. States that I was told would never give me a license did and states were it was supposed to be a shoe in, made it very difficult.

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The only people who can answer that question is the CA Board of Nuring. Any information from anyone else is hearsay information. Each person is a little different, and each set of circumstancis is different. If you truly want the information you have to ask them. States that I was told would never give me a license did and states were it was supposed to be a shoe in, made it very difficult.

I have had my share of difficulties with individual Boards of Nursing regarding EC licensure, also. In this case, I am completely comfortable with "heresay". I was only curious if someone whos associates degree nursing foundation was EC would have difficulty with the CA BON even if they had completed a more "traditional" BSN program? That is a legitamite question that some on this board may be qualified to answer. I understand the unique circumstances of individuals but a general answer to this question would satisfy the original reason for the post, curiosity.

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I have had my share of difficulties with individual Boards of Nursing regarding EC licensure, also. In this case, I am completely comfortable with "heresay". I was only curious if someone whos associates degree nursing foundation was EC would have difficulty with the CA BON even if they had completed a more "traditional" BSN program? That is a legitamite question that some on this board may be qualified to answer. I understand the unique circumstances of individuals but a general answer to this question would satisfy the original reason for the post, curiosity.

Answer yes, but qualified, not unless they are officially here from a BON. There are just to many variables. CA told me that I couldn't get a license being an EC, (well regents) grad, but I actaully had a RN license in CA based on military training from back in the 70's. They had no choice but to give me the license. I've seen two people with almost exactly the same background apply for license in a state and one got it through iwith no problem and one had to fight. There are just way to many variables. UNfortunatly the only way to know in most of these cases is to apply and spend/waste your $$$. One of my EV grad co worksers is going to wait till he has over 1500 hours of direct patient care time in another state snd then apply, just to see what happens. But I've never put any stock in CA responses, myself. So when you graduate and make your first 150k, you'll have to put in an application in CA just to see what they do.

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So when you graduate and make your first 150k, you'll have to put in an application in CA just to see what they do.
:rolleyes: Unnecessary.

I am not asking for an answer that could encompass every unique and individual variable. I am intrigued as to if there was an EC grad who completed a BSN a more traditional way and continued to have issues with the CA BON? I only used my circumstances to try to provide clarification on the question I was trying to ask. Isn't the purpose of this board to ask and receive informal answers to informal questions?

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Just a quick reminder to please stay on topic, and refrain from snarking at each other. ;)

ID-SRNA, you raise a very good question. My suggestion would be that you may want to start a thread with this question in the CA Nurses forum- I bet someone there who has been-there-done-that can answer this for you.

I'm only guessing, but it seems they (CA BON) would only really care about the highest degree you hold, and whether that meets their guidelines.

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washington state will accept a new ec grad., only if you complete 200 "preceptorship hours", otherwise you can not apply for the wa state nclex.

so you must either have some kind of contract with a facility to documentate that you have completed these 200 hours or apply in another state that does not have this requirement, then transfer back to washington state.

this is a catch 22 though because no facility that i have spoken to will let me do a "preceptorship", unless the facility has a contract with the school (ec), which aint gonna happen because ec does not require this.:no::no::no:

however i am still very grateful for ec, to enable me to complete my rn (still waiting for cpne date...).

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Just a quick reminder to please stay on topic, and refrain from snarking at each other. ;)

ID-SRNA, you raise a very good question. My suggestion would be that you may want to start a thread with this question in the CA Nurses forum- I bet someone there who has been-there-done-that can answer this for you.

I'm only guessing, but it seems they (CA BON) would only really care about the highest degree you hold, and whether that meets their guidelines.

Actually, no, my understanding is that they base the licensure decision on your original, basic nursing education (through which you learned basic nursing skills/knowledge), which is what RN licensure is concerned with. BSN-completion programs (and graduate programs) have very little to do with basic clinical nursing practice. In every state, what matters for RN licensure is where you originally learned to be a nurse, not what education you've completed since then. So, in CA (or any state, but it's not as big a deal in other states), if you originally completed your nursing education through EC, you are an EC grad forever for licensure purposes, regardless of what degrees you may complete later on.

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Actually, no, my understanding is that they base the licensure decision on your original, basic nursing education (through which you learned basic nursing skills/knowledge), which is what RN licensure is concerned with. BSN-completion programs (and graduate programs) have very little to do with basic clinical nursing practice. In every state, what matters for RN licensure is where you originally learned to be a nurse, not what education you've completed since then. So, in CA (or any state, but it's not as big a deal in other states), if you originally completed your nursing education through EC, you are an EC grad forever for licensure purposes, regardless of what degrees you may complete later on.

Thank you Elkpark. This was exactly the answer I was seeking. I also appreciate your answer without condescension. The reason for the original question was simply intrigue. I did not ask it hoping someone would give me direction as if it applied to me. It does not. My EC degree came well before the "grandfather" date the CA BON required. I only wanted to know how strong a stance the BON has taken regarding EC and I appreciate you sharing what you know.

On a different note. I think the same courtesies should be shown here as they should be shown personally or clinically. It is not conducive to learning to make a person uncomfortable to ask a question or seek an answer for fear of belittlement. I dont feel an orientee or coworker should be treated that way nor an anonymous person who asks a simple answer to a simple question on a internet bulletin board. A less thick-skinned person could be hesitant to seek an answer to a sincere question and that is unfortunate.

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