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Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 14

Crusades said:

His cabinet will be composed of the people he finds best for the position. Void of gender/sex/race/creed/religion/nationality.

The diversity of people he appointed is related to their skill. Because of this, the gay man, Hispanics and women he hired were hired for their qualifications. Not their identity. Demonstrating he is not discrimatory against minority. You can do the job? You're hired. You can't, your fired. Simple.

As Alex Stroman says about Trump's cabinet "I think that's where the country is at: we want a Cabinet that is diverse based on many different experiences and backgrounds, be it sexual or racial, economic, or cultural, but the American people don't want diversity for the sake of diversity.”

Perhaps Trump himself thinks he's picking the most qualified person for the job without consideration of anything else, he's a bit flawed. Take Hegseth for example. Personal problems aside he isn't qualified to run the Pentagon. He's a veteran and that's admirable. But that's it. What else does he bring to the table?

Crusades · Jan 15

Tweety said:

As Alex Stroman says about Trump's cabinet "I think that's where the country is at: we want a Cabinet that is diverse based on many different experiences and backgrounds, be it sexual or racial, economic, or cultural, but the American people don't want diversity for the sake of diversity.”

Perhaps Trump himself thinks he's picking the most qualified person for the job without consideration of anything else, he's a bit flawed. Take Hegseth for example. Personal problems aside he isn't qualified to run the Pentagon. He's a veteran and that's admirable. But that's it. What else does he bring to the table?

If there was an issue of people not getting hired based on discrimination of a protected class/minority, the DEI programs would be required. However we have laws for that. We are not living the past when discrimination was abundant and without significant laws in place.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 17

Crusades said:

If there was an issue of people not getting hired based on discrimination of a protected class/minority, the DEI programs would be required. However we have laws for that. We are not living the past when discrimination was abundant and without significant laws in place.

That's so awesome.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 17

Perhaps now is the time to invest in privately owned jails and detention centers.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/16/nx-s1-5218641/immigrant-detention-trump-deportation-plans

Crusades · Jan 17

Tweety said:

That's so awesome.

Yes. It is soooo awesome that there are laws protecting civil rights. I agree. However we have discussed this "ad nauseum " and I wouldn't want to repete myself. Right?

Crusades · Jan 17

Tweety said:

Perhaps now is the time to invest in privately owned jails and detention centers.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/16/nx-s1-5218641/immigrant-detention-trump-deportation-plans

The peice you quoted uses spin with word fallacy. They are detention facilities where food, shelter and basic nedical care woukd be provided until the illegal immigrants are deported back to their country of origin. They are not "detention camps". This is to invoke emotion because it remind us of Nazi detention camps that were a whole lot different than detainment facilities. It's a subtle way of of likening Trump to a Nazi dictator.

Again, we've already discussed this ad nauseum and I'm repeating myself...... 🙄

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 17

Crusades said:

The peice you quoted uses spin with word fallacy. They are detention facilities where food, shelter and basic nedical care woukd be provided until the illegal immigrants are deported back to their country of origin. They are not "detention camps". This is to invoke emotion because it remind us of Nazi detention camps that were a whole lot different than detainment facilities. It's a subtle way of of likening Trump to a Nazi dictator.

Again, we've already discussed this ad nauseum and I'm repeating myself...... 🙄

I think calling them detention facilities (which the article uses most often) and camps are accurate. It's not like they said "concentration camps" but I will allow you to feel how you feel about the semantics.

I also don't see the spin either and disagree with you there. They are reporting in a rather neutral tone and being realistic. They've reported on how some states and cities are going to help out around the country. I mentioned here in Florida we are going to step up and support the effort. But deporting 11 million people poses a challenge which is what the article is addressing. It made no judgement on right or wrong.

According to the article: In recent years, the government's own inspections of ICE detention facilities have found unsafe conditions, negligent medical care and lax oversight. Trump's transition team and officials at ICE did not respond to a request for comment or an interview.

Oobviously, this shouldn't be a resort and they are here illegally but apparently we can do better.

Maybe a Fox News article that uses "facilities" would make a better read without a spin:

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"We have serious concerns about expanding immigration detention in South Texas. Many of these facilities... have very serious histories of conditions, violations and abusive conditions in those detention facilities," Cho told Border Report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-looking-expanding-migrant-detention-facilities-aclu-says

toomuchbaloney · Jan 17

Tweety said:

I think calling them detention facilities and camps are accurate. It's not like they said "concentration camps" but I will allow you to feel how you feel about the semantics.

According to the article: In recent years, the government's own inspections of ICE detention facilities have found unsafe conditions, negligent medical care and lax oversight. Trump's transition team and officials at ICE did not respond to a request for comment or an interview.

Oobviously, this shouldn't be a resort and they are here illegally but apparently we can do better.

Maybe I've been out of it but I don't remember discussing this ad nauseam with you.

You used accurate terminology and avoided obvious inflammatory language.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8034024/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10671122/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10966767/

From the last article:

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The US is a world leader in immigration imprisonment, at an annual cost of approximately $2 billion: As of July 2023 there were more than 30,000 people in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody on any given day, with more than 90 percent of them being held in for-profit immigrant prisons.1–3 The growth of the US immigration prison system is an extension of mass incarceration,4 rooted in a legacy of racist US immigration and criminal laws, with Black and Latinx immigrants over-whelmingly bearing the harms.5,6

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Medical care in immigration prisons is focused on acute care, often to the neglect of chronic disease management and preventive care, despite immigrants being subject to prolonged detention.22

Immigration imprisonment can make even healthy people sick, through an accumulation of physical and mental trauma. While detained, people are subjected to the neglect of basic needs, such as nutrition, and are placed in a physical environment that accelerates illness through overcrowding, poor sanitation, and lack of recreation.23 Physical violence and sexual assault are prevalent in immigration prisons,24 with sexual and gender minorities at increased risk.25 In addition, people experience emotional distress related to dehumanization, perceived injustice, and isolation while facing systemic barriers in accessing high-quality health care.23 These conditions cumulatively worsen health outcomes among imprisoned immigrants.26

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Finishing the U.S-Mexico border wall, setting up immigration detention facilities where migrants could be housed until they are expelled are all part of the mix – some $100 billion in proposals, senators said, that incoming Trump administration and the GOP Congress are working to fund as part of their big budget reconciliation legislation.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-day-one-border-executive-actions-30f78c3c983ae74555f281446fe22710

From all angles it appears that detaining lots and lots of immigrants in already crowded facilities is a high priority for Trump.

Crusades · Jan 19

Tweety said:

I think calling them detention facilities (which the article uses most often) and camps are accurate. It's not like they said "concentration camps" but I will allow you to feel how you feel about the semantics.

I also don't see the spin either and disagree with you there. They are reporting in a rather neutral tone and being realistic. They've reported on how some states and cities are going to help out around the country. I mentioned here in Florida we are going to step up and support the effort. But deporting 11 million people poses a challenge which is what the article is addressing. It made no judgement on right or wrong.

According to the article: In recent years, the government's own inspections of ICE detention facilities have found unsafe conditions, negligent medical care and lax oversight. Trump's transition team and officials at ICE did not respond to a request for comment or an interview.

Oobviously, this shouldn't be a resort and they are here illegally but apparently we can do better.

Maybe a Fox News article that uses "facilities" would make a better read without a spin:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-looking-expanding-migrant-detention-facilities-aclu-says

It does pose a logistic problem. The words "detainment or detention camps " is one step away and next to "concentration camps". Which elicits a string emotion in some people.

My point is that with the trust in news/media lacking they really cheapness the peice by using purposeful word spin/fallacy.

Old habits die hard I guess.

Crusades · Jan 19

toomuchbaloney said:

You used accurate terminology and avoided obvious inflammatory language.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8034024/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10671122/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10966767/

From the last article:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-day-one-border-executive-actions-30f78c3c983ae74555f281446fe22710

From all angles it appears that detaining lots and lots of immigrants in already crowded facilities is a high priority for Trump.

That's because of the high number of illegal immigrants that came through for 4 years.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 19

Crusades said:

That's because of the high number of illegal immigrants that came through for 4 years.

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 19

Beerman said:

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

It's obviously a high priority for him.

Trump lied and came up with 21 million person figure that Harris let in and the Speaker lied about millions of illegals voting.

No doubt the "got aways" is high the last four-years. But I also remember reading many years ago, including prior to Biden the number already here was over 10 million.

I'm reading about 49% of people are favoring mass deportation. It's a reasonable thought to wonder how that will look because no one seems to know.

My guess is that like with inflation he will pull the brakes and be more reasonable and realistic about it. Already he is doing that and concentrating on certain areas first.