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Crusades said:

It does pose a logistic problem. The words "detainment or detention camps " is one step away and next to "concentration camps". Which elicits a string emotion in some people. 

My point is that with the trust in news/media lacking they really cheapness the peice by using purposeful word spin/fallacy.  

Old habits die hard I guess. 

I guess it would be triggering to as you say "some people" perhaps that why Trump used it in his Time Person of the Year interview.

At the end of the day the one time a respected new organization used it I don't think less of them.

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Tweety said:

I'm reading about 49% of people are favoring mass deportation.  It's a reasonable thought to wonder how that will look because no one seems to know.  

My guess is that like with inflation he will pull the brakes and be more reasonable and realistic about it.  Already he is doing that and concentrating on certain areas first.

Just as important,  maybe more importantly,  it'll deter others from entering illegally if they know we're going to actually enforce our immigration laws.

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Beerman said:

Just as important,  maybe more importantly,  it'll deter others from entering illegally if they know we're going to actually enforce our immigration laws.

Agree

It's almost important to me the most powerful people be honest. 

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also, not almost

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Beerman said:

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

It is now. Not so much early Nov 2024. 

No? 

Or was It always obvious? 

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Trump is first candidate in 40 years to sweep key 2024 swing states

https://nypost.com/2024/11/07/us-news/trump-first-candidate-in-40-years-to-sweep-key-2024-swing-states/

Pretty good for a crazy old guy. 

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Tweety said:

I guess it would be triggering to as you say "some people" perhaps that why Trump used it in his Time Person of the Year interview.

At the end of the day the one time a respected new organization used it I don't think less of them.

I use to give all forms of reputable media the benefit of the doubt.All media has bias but the way it is present  time is so obvious it's almost funny. It seems so much like propaganda these days.  I find my trust lacking. Both left and right msm. During Trump's first term, in which I did not support or like the man at all. I started looking into the claims about what he said and did and found so many times it was either completely bias or outright false. I posted many examples so I won't repeat myself with that. 

It seems the public in general has little trust in the media. I read a peice I'll try and find it. 

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Crusades said:

I use to give all forms of reputable media the benefit of the doubt.All media has bias but the way it is present  time is so obvious it's almost funny. It seems so much like propaganda these days.  I find my trust lacking. Both left and right msm. During Trump's first term, in which I did not support or like the man at all. I started looking into the claims about what he said and did and found so many times it was either completely bias or outright false. I posted many examples so I won't repeat myself with that. 

It seems the public in general has little trust in the media. I read a peice I'll try and find it. 

I still trust the news sources I go read mainly NPR and BBC and sometimes Fox and CNN.  There may be a biased tilt here and there (especially with Fox and CNN) but often they are just reporting a story.  I find NPR and BBC the most neutral in their reporting.  

I certainly appreciate being skeptical which is why when I hear something outrageous I tend to look for other sources.

Surely there have been times when a story broke, the media went wild with it at first and then had to back down.  This does tend to erode trust.  

Much of the publics distrust in the media I think while ongoing for a while, hit its stride when Trump made up "fake new media" when he heard something he didn't like.  He would be asked about something and say "that's fake news, I never said that" when clearly there's footage of him saying what they are asking about.  People believed Trump instead of truth.

Fox News also is going on and on about the mainstream media, as if the most watched network isn't mainstream media.  

Also another culprit I think is social media.  There are a lot of accounts out there spreading made up stories, twists and spins that make no sense.  I see that in the medical field such as one I saw yesterday "don't eat spinach, it ruined my knees".  

I think in the coming weeks as we see footage of illegal immigrants being rounded up there might some reporting that some would consider biased against it.  I'm sure it's going to trigger some comparisons to rounding up Jews and I'm not looking forward to that.

I'm not looking forward to a lot of things but I wish our country well and congrats to Trump on his inauguration day.

I do hope that people that want honesty in media hold the President and his administration to the same standards.  

 

 

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Interesting.  Hopefully these people can sleep better at night.

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In an extraordinary move hours before leaving office on Monday, President Biden said he was issuing pardons to retired Gen. Mark Milley, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the members of Congress and staff who served on the January 6 committee, and others who he said were targets for "unjustified and politically motivated prosecutions" by the incoming administration.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/20/nx-s1-5268258/biden-pardons-fauci-milley-and-members-of-jan-6-panel

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Crusades said:

https://nypost.com/2024/11/07/us-news/trump-first-candidate-in-40-years-to-sweep-key-2024-swing-states/

Pretty good for a crazy old guy. 

You're posting articles from November about things we talked about in the weeks afterwards.  

What's your point?  You've gone back to that point many times when Trump has been talked about and we get it.  I would like to say "Trump is a lair" without hearing "yeah, but he won the popular vote and election..not bad for a liar".  Just sayin'

We all know he won the election and the popular vote in a historic comeback.  

But yeah, when the first swing state fell, I knew it was all over for Harris.  

Next

 

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Tweety said:

I still trust the news sources I go read mainly NPR and BBC and sometimes Fox and CNN.  There may be a biased tilt here and there (especially with Fox and CNN) but often they are just reporting a story.  I find NPR and BBC the most neutral in their reporting.  

I certainly appreciate being skeptical which is why when I hear something outrageous I tend to look for other sources.

Surely there have been times when a story broke, the media went wild with it at first and then had to back down.  This does tend to erode trust.  

Much of the publics distrust in the media I think while ongoing for a while, hit its stride when Trump made up "fake new media" when he heard something he didn't like.  He would be asked about something and say "that's fake news, I never said that" when clearly there's footage of him saying what they are asking about.  People believed Trump instead of truth.

Fox News also is going on and on about the mainstream media, as if the most watched network isn't mainstream media.  

Also another culprit I think is social media.  There are a lot of accounts out there spreading made up stories, twists and spins that make no sense.  I see that in the medical field such as one I saw yesterday "don't eat spinach, it ruined my knees".  

I think in the coming weeks as we see footage of illegal immigrants being rounded up there might some reporting that some would consider biased against it.  I'm sure it's going to trigger some comparisons to rounding up Jews and I'm not looking forward to that.

I'm not looking forward to a lot of things but I wish our country well and congrats to Trump on his inauguration day.

I do hope that people that want honesty in media hold the President and his administration to the same standards.  

 

 

Lying about the media (and any institution or individual that might limit him) is related to Trump's narcissistic personality disorder and it is a well documented strategy of fascists.  

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/06/910320018/fascism-scholar-says-u-s-is-losing-its-democratic-status

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Jason Stanley, a professor of philosophy at Yale University, offers one perspective on the word. He defines fascism as "a cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of humiliation brought on by supposed communists, Marxists and minorities and immigrants who are supposedly posing a threat to the character and the history of a nation."

Stanley, who is the author of the 2018 book How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them, tells NPR's All Things Considered: "The leader proposes that only he can solve it and all of his political opponents are enemies or traitors."

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Conspiracy theories destroy an information space. The goal — fascism is based on a friend-enemy distinction, so you're either with them or against them. The enemy is the enemy of civilization. What it does is it destroys the information space. It makes you think that even if your guys are corrupt and lying, it is because [the leader is] facing a mysterious cabal that is controlling things that are trying to foment a race war. This is the basis of the Ku Klux Klan ideology.

The USA has a well developed propaganda apparatus that is now bending to the whims of a corrupt authoritarian.  

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