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Beerman, BSN · Apr 18

heron said:

Speaking of presidents, a post by some random TikTok denizen posted an interesting observation.

She asked, "Do you know what happened the last time a president decided to ignore a Supreme Court ruling? The trail of tears.”

Didn't trump say back in his first term that Andrew Jackson is his favorite president?

No, not nearly that far back.

"The Supreme Court blocked it,” Mr. Biden added, "but that didn't stop me.” He apparently thinks defying the law is a virtue."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/joe-biden-student-debt-forgiveness-supreme-court-0c5204fe

Beerman, BSN · Apr 18

Tweety said:

I don't think he was. What's appalling is El Salvador is not going to release the prisoner mistakenly sent to him and Trump made no demands or express any regret or outrage that a person that's not a prisoner with legal status is suffering like that.

I've been waiting for more to come out before forming an opinion. Here it is.

No, it's not appalling. First off, to say he's here with "legal status" isn't quite accurate. He has admitted to coming here illegally.

At his deportation hearing the judge found him to be credible when he testified that he would be endangered at home by a gang that is a known rival to MS-13. The judge issued a "order to withhold removal".

Police reports indicate evidence that he is a MS-13 member. The same judge who issued the order to withhold removal also found that evidence to be credible.

The Trump administration now says they have the right to remove him as MS-13 is a terrorist organization.

On top of it all, he has other criminal accusations, including by his girlfriend who reported on court documents that he beat her.

The administration may or may not be right on this. But the narrative that Trump is snatching from the streets fathers with legal status and sending them to concentration camps is of course, ludicrous. Warren says Trump wants to normalize "disappearing people".

If Democrats want to die on this hill over guys like this and this is the best example they have of the above narratives, they can have at it.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Apr 18

Beerman said:

I've been waiting for more to come out before forming an opinion. Here it is.

No, it's not appalling. First off, to say he's here with "legal status" isn't quite accurate. He has admitted to coming here illegally.

At his deportation hearing the judge found him to be credible when he testified that he would be endangered at home by a gang that is a known rival to MS-13. The judge issued a "order to withhold removal".

Police reports indicate evidence that he is a MS-13 member. The same judge who issued the order to withhold removal also found that evidence to be credible.

The Trump administration now says they have the right to remove him as MS-13 is a terrorist organization.

On top of it all, he has other criminal accusations, including by his girlfriend who reported on court documents that he beat her.

The administration may or may not be right on this. But the narrative that Trump is snatching from the streets fathers with legal status and sending them to concentration camps is of course, ludicrous. Warren says Trump wants to normalize "disappearing people".

If Democrats want to die on this hill over guys like this and this is the best example they have of the above narratives, they can have at it.

The district court judge overseeing this case found the evidence that Abrego Garcia was a gang member to be not credible. His wife has withdrawn her request for a restraining order and now is seeking his release.

What is the harm of returning him and having an appearance before a judge to determine the immigration status? The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that deportees should have due process.

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 18

heron said:

It translates as "All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others.”

1984 and Animal Farm were meant to be warnings, not instruction manuals.

Also have a look at "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

And before all the Trump bro's on this thread jump on me for being a 'Brit' and it is none of my business just remember who came to your aid on 9/11, who sent troops into Afghanistan etc. to suppport American troops.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Apr 18

A commentary on stupid orange man's first 100 days:

https://wapo.st/3RWUWg8

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By any reasonable measure, President Donald Trump's first 100 days will be judged an epic failure.

He has been a legislative failure. He has signed only five bills into law, none of them major, making this the worst performance at the start of a new president's term in more than a century.

He has been an economic failure. On his watch, growth has slowed, consumer and business confidence has cratered, and markets have plunged, along with Americans' wealth. Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said Wednesday that "growth has slowed in the first quarter of this year from last year's solid pace" and that Trump's tariffs will result in higher inflation and slower growth.

He has been a foreign-policy failure. He said he would end wars in Gaza and Ukraine. But fighting has resumed in Gaza after the demise of the ceasefire negotiated by his predecessor, and Russia continues to brutalize Ukraine, making a mockery of Trump's naive overtures to Vladimir Putin.

He has been a failure in the eyes of friends, having launched a trade war against Canada, Mexico, Europe and Japan; enraged Canada with talk of annexation; threatened Greenland and Panama; and cleaved the NATO alliance.

He has been a failure in the eyes of foes, as an emboldened China menaces Taiwan, punches back hard in the trade war and spreads its global influence to fill the vacuum left by Trump's retreat from the world.

He has been a constitutional failure. His executive actions, brazen in their disregard for the law, have been slapped down more than 80 times already by judges, including those appointed by Republicans. He isflagrantly defying a unanimous Supreme Court, and his appointees are facing contempt proceedings for their abuse of the legal system.

He has been a failure in public opinion. This week's Economist/YouGov poll finds 42 percent approving his performance and 52 percent disapproving — a 16-point swing for the worse since the start of his term. Majorities say the country is on the wrong track and out of control.

Even his few "successes" amount to less than meets the eye. Border crossings are down from already low levels, but despite all the administration's bravado, there's little evidence of an increase in deportations. Hopes for cost-cutting under the U.S. DOGE Service, which Elon Musk originally projected at $1 trillion this year, have been scaled back to just $150 billion — and much of that appears to be based on made-up numbers.

But Trump, whose 100th day in office is April 30, has achieved one thing that is truly remarkable: He has introduced a level of chaos and destruction so high that historians are hard-pressed to find its equal in our history.

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On one hand, Trump's lawlessness is terrifying: This is what happens when a government is run not by the rule of law but by the whim of one man. On the other, it is an admission of weakness: He doesn't have the power to achieve his aims through legitimate means, so he's trying to attain them illegally. Happily, the backlash is building.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 18

nursej22 said:

A commentary on stupid orange man's first 100 days:

https://wapo.st/3RWUWg8

Thoughtful commentary and opinion from well qualified people. From the article;

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Previous restructurings of government were done with careful planning and with bipartisan congressional support. But Trump "doesn't come in as a reformer as much as a wrecking ball,” Brinkley says. "What we're witnessing with Trump is just raw vengeance and belittling fellow Americans and creating a tinderbox situation that makes people feel we're in a neo civil war that could go sideways at any moment.” Brinkley also notes that previous attempts at executive overreach — FDR's court packing, Nixon's abuses — were repelled by members of each president's own party. But now, Republicans are silent. "That's the missing ingredient of our time,” he says.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 18

GrumpyRN said:

1984 and Animal Farm were meant to be warnings, not instruction manuals.

Also have a look at "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

And before all the Trump bro's on this thread jump on me for being a 'Brit' and it is none of my business just remember who came to your aid on 9/11, who sent troops into Afghanistan etc. to suppport American troops.

The emergence of a powerful fascist regime run by a mentally ill old man is everyone's business.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 18

nursej22 said:

The district court judge overseeing this case found the evidence that Abrego Garcia was a gang member to be not credible. His wife has withdrawn her request for a restraining order and now is seeking his release.

What is the harm of returning him and having an appearance before a judge to determine the immigration status? The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that deportees should have due process.

That's fine. We can add to the picture what the district judge says. Keep in mind this contradicts the opinion of the immigration judge several years ago. And that immigration judge used that opinion to determine that Garcia would be endangered if he went back to El Salvador. And, that's why he wasn't deported back then.

The girlfriend is lying now, or she lied to the on her request for a protection order. It's one or the other. It sounds like she's now saying she lied before.

I'll acknowledge the Trump administration screwed this up. However, the Democrats are overplaying their hand (again, when will they learn) by equating it to Trump snatching innocent people of the streets and sending them to concentration camps. Or Trump wants to normalize "disappearing people". Or that as one poster here says she needs to keep her passport on her.

We have one Democrat who has taken a photo op with this guy. I hope there's more. I hope they continue to try to make this guy into a poster boy for Trump being a dictator. I'll enjoy laughing at them when it once again bites them in the backside.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Apr 18

What is the harm in returning Abrego Garcia to the US and giving him his day in court, I.e. the due process proscribed by the 5th Amendment and SCOTUS?

Perhaps the DOJ doesn't want to defend the claims of gang membership based on a discredited police officer.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 18

nursej22 said:

What is the harm in returning Abrego Garcia to the US and giving him his day in court, I.e. the due process proscribed by the 5th Amendment and SCOTUS?

Perhaps the DOJ doesn't want to defend the claims of gang membership based on a discredited police officer.

Being that the Trump administration first admitted that they made a mistake by deporting him, I think he should be returned.

Now, maybe you can tell me why can't the left make that argument without fear-mongering and false rhetoric?

GrumpyRN, NP · Apr 18

Beerman said:

Democrats are overplaying their hand (again, when will they learn) by equating it to Trump snatching innocent people of the streets and sending them to concentration camps. Or Trump wants to normalize "disappearing people". Or that as one poster here says she needs to keep her passport on her.

In UK a man who was travelling to USA for a holiday (vacation) has had to put his plans on hold because he has a similar tattoo to the ones that are alledgedly gang tattoos. His is a clock with the time his child was born. British citizen, born and bred in UK but afraid to go to the US in case he gets lifted off the streets and 'disappeared'.

Now tell me thats normal.

toomuchbaloney · Apr 19

GrumpyRN said:

In UK a man who was travelling to USA for a holiday (vacation) has had to put his plans on hold because he has a similar tattoo to the ones that are alledgedly gang tattoos. His is a clock with the time his child was born. British citizen, born and bred in UK but afraid to go to the US in case he gets lifted off the streets and 'disappeared'.

Now tell me thats normal.

It's normal in Trump's USA.