Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers? - page 23

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Taking my 1st ADN-BSN class. Thinking of dropping it with only 1 week left. 1st class and already a 6 to 8 page paper. A concept analysis of 1 of the following 4 words: Caring, Hope, Trust, or Fear. This is absolutely... Read More


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    I think many of the required ADN to BSN courses are about the almighty dollar. I talked about having to take nursing assessment again for the BSN completion degree and I felt it was overkill. I still feel the same way. Basically, it is the same course complete with the cotton ball to the cheek and close your eyes and sniff the cofee beans.... This is fine except I have never seen a staff RN do any of this. NP's I've seen during physical exams perform all of what I learned in the ADN and BSN classes.

    My point was just that perhaps they should redo the whole program and gear it towards the RN who is working in the field compared with the traditional student who is not yet a nurse. They seem to mirror each other rather than build on what many of us do daily.
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    I find it all amusing to argue that increased education is a waste of time.
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    Quote from PMFB-RN

    *** I would pick the one with certification. If my family member where in the ICU and without knowing anything more about the nurse than the letters on his badge I would choose the RN, BSN, CCRN over the RN, BSN.
    Certification tells me that the nurse has at least some experiences and knows about that area of nursing. Outliers excepted.
    What if both are certified? (Remove the confounder.)
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    Quote from Susie2310

    In regard to the prominent study I believe you are referring to, a nurse on this forum posted some time ago that he/she was part of a panel for his/her state that reviewed the study and rejected the conclusions of that particular study for specific reasons he/she listed, and on that basis the panel determined not to proceed with implementing BSN for entry in to practice in his/her state.

    I disagree with you that people can be biased but the data and statistics is not biased. Data and statistics can certainly be biased. To give just a few examples, from sampling methodology and size of sample, type of study: quantitative or qualitative, statistical techniques used, formulation of hypotheses, steps used to determine if a relationship exists and strength of a relationship i.e. correlation, and the fact that correlation is not causation, there are many opportunities for bias in the data and statistics in a study, even if the mathematical computations are calculated correctly. Peer review is the evaluation of works (in this case, nursing research) by people at a similar level to the person/s producing the work for the purpose of spotting mistakes: It is method of self-regulation, and does not guarantee correctness or certainty in the work. Review by one's peers opens the possibility for many biases.
    I have read the paper and examined the data several times. I can appreciate several flaws in the study but I do not see any obvious author bias. Do you see a specific example?
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    BostonFNP, I apologize if I was unclear in my post. My post was intended to point out that data and statistics can certainly be biased in research studies, although competent and ethical researchers will strive to minimize biases by following good/accepted statistical practice and research procedures, and will declare study limitations, conflicts of interest, etc. I referred to another nurse's post in regard to a particular study because of the discussion this nurse initiated in regard to the study's findings that was persuasive to me, but I have not analyzed the study myself.
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    Quote from Tait
    I find it all amusing to argue that increased education is a waste of time.
    *** Who in this discussion has argued that? Nobody I have seen.
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    What if both are certified? (Remove the confounder.)
    Oh wait, I know this one!!

    Nurse Specialty Certification, Inpatient Mortality, and Failure to Rescue - Kendall-Gallagher - 2011 - Journal of Nursing Scholarship - Wiley Online Library


    But I'm sure the methods were flawed, the researchers biased, and besides that, all the researchers had advanced degrees.

    And by the way, I never knew how to look up such research studies quickly and accurately before taking an English class specifically on how to write research papers (not required by ADN, but was required for RN to BSN) and my Nursing Research course.

    Has there been fluff in my RN to BSN courses, certainly, or maybe I just haven't realized their value yet. In general though, I have improved my practice with every course I have taken.

    The original question was if there were any RN to BSN programs that didn't require ridiculous papers. I'm not sure I have that answer for the OP. What I would like to emphasize is not to let that detail keep you from a degree that unarguably will make you more desirable and employable.

    Obviously there is substantial argument and disagreement over whether this will make you a better nurse. I offer that if the OP controls that outcome in how they apply the education offered.
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    Quote from TiffyRN
    Has there been fluff in my RN to BSN courses, certainly, or maybe I just haven't realized their value yet.
    Best, most level-headed thought in this thread yet.
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Do we need to segragate those who when to "good" programs from thse nurses who went to "bad" programs?
    You know Harvard is probably accredited by the same organization as Ole Miss. Totally different education.
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    Quote from UTHSC_Bound
    You know Harvard is probably accredited by the same organization as Ole Miss. Totally different education.
    Probably. What is your point? I don't understand what you are saying with that comment
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