Disrespectful to instructor.... - page 7

OK, It's been a while since I've taken a college course (I graduated over 10 yrs ago...)... but is it just me.... or are students much ruder to professors these days??? :uhoh21: I CANNOT believe... Read More

  1. by   SuesquatchRN
    Kasia has made it very clear that she is from another country. And our secondary schools are sadly lacking. My Eastern European immigrant friends all had their children tutored in mathematics - starting in grammar school - because they believed, rightly, that we don't teach enough of it.

    Of course not all students plod through with general math. But, as kasia said, it's one in 10 - or fewer - who takes calculus.

    She also was trying, with English as a second language, to express her views of American education, and she said that she did not want or intend to offend.

    Please respond with the manners some of say we lack and cut her a break.

  2. by   Cherish
    Well everyone knows that American education does need improvement. It is behind such countries as the UK, Finland, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Asian Countries (Japan, South Korea, Singapore), etc. It's not even ranked about 15.

    I am Canadian but came to the U.S. when I was in the 8th grade. When I came here I was kind of shocked I was already doing trigonometry/geography when they were just starting algebra I. They put me in the gifted classes when in my school in Toronto I was in the regular classes.

    I stayed in gifted/honors classes throughout high school. So personally I do feel the American education standards could be improved. I am not being hateful just commenting that there is indeed room for improvement. Sorry if I offended anyone.

    http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=1785
    http://www.uwire.com/content/topnews093005001.html
  3. by   kasia2
    To the people who say my grammar is bad, I only wish you could speak my language the way I speak yours it would be a true miricle, also I only made one grammar mistake in my last post, and few run-on sentence, this is the internet its not school paper, I dont have to play 'genius' to all of you's to make myself better, Im arleady confident, so spare me this criticism cause you not hurting me by it,actually it makes me laugh and proves my theory that people with low self esteem try to make themselves feel better by picking on someone's else mistake, all I wrote that American school system needs improvement but all the Americans ( by the way the real Americans are Indians I hope you know that?) jumped on me like Im a criminal, yes I commited a crime of free speech and opinion, do you also believe that Bush is great super-hero and that US went to Iraq to find " Osama' ( oh I know he is dead..) For once SOME American people think outside the box, and dont make Nursing a prestige proffesion, because its not, dont ever compare it to being a doctor or lawyer, in a lot of countries nursing is considered a simple degree.. so I dont know why you make it sound its a doctoral degree, this make me laugh, but the most funny part of it is that someone I think MW37 mentioned ;


    I graduated from an inner city public high school 10 years ago. I received an international baccalaureate diploma and took several AP courses. My first semester in college I took Calculus 3, among other things, and received an A, rarely attending the lecture. I got a full scholarship to a top 50 university, started with enough credits to be a sophomore, and graduated with honors. Go US public schools!

    With such intelligence you should go to the medical school....I would say I mean if you got all this scholarships why didnt you think of become engineer, somehow I dont believe your story, because all my friends who who got their schoolarships they are Engineers, or doctors, you are totally contradict your self, and you lost yourself with your anger toward my post,
    One more thing a lot of you people go to nursing school for money, you dont follow your passion, you are very materialistic, think about that too..you dont take criticism well and you lack of passion, remember think outside the box, now to all MORE OPEN PEOPLE I HOPE you will understand where I come from, dont think i wrote this post to offend... I hope you will interpret my message ' correctly, greeting to those less open minded and those who are not afraid to go against the WHOLE, dont get me wrong America is my second home, I spend have of my life over here so this message is not intended for the purpose of criticising this country, but only some will comprehend this...







    I graduated from an inner city public high school 10 years ago. I received an international baccalaureate diploma and took several AP courses. My first semester in college I took Calculus 3, among other things, and received an A, rarely attending the lecture. I got a full scholarship to a top 50 university, started with enough credits to be a sophomore, and graduated with honors. Go US public schools!

    This is the funniest thing I read on this forum? With such intelligence you should go to the medical school....
  4. by   justme1972
    Quote from kasia2

    But dont you think that he was maybe a little right about that?? No offense but tell me what have you learned in high school except read and write and do basic math...Why are we exposed for the very first time to subjects like Geography and history in college, the essentials of history, geography, etc should be introduced to us in high school, then we have ignorant nation that have hard time doing calculation without calculator or we dont know nothing about worldy conflict , why do we have to learn American History instead of World history, why foreign exchange student when they take entrance exam test when they apply to college score at the level of Calculus while we people who live here end up on basic math level?
    In a word? Uh, No. He's not right. In fact, my psycho-Chemistry professor really needs to retire.

    You can't work for Pepsi and be very open to your co-workers at Coca-Cola that you think Pepsi is better. You can't work at UPS, and tell everyone how things are much better over at Federal Express and how UPS sucks...AND STILL KEEP YOUR JOB.

    If my foreign-born college professor thinks so poorly of the American Educational system...then why does he work in it? An even better question...why did BOTH of his sons come to the USA to get their graduate degrees instead of in Europe where he said the schools were far superior?

    I'm not prejudice...I'm a first-generation American in my family...that means neither one of my parents were born in the USA.

    Geography and History have been taught in class, every year, since I was in PRIMARY school. I grew up in one of the poorest public school districts in the NATION. So trust me, if we had the budget to teach it, so did every other school in America. I know they taught it at your school as well because it is REQUIRED in every state. The state Board of Education, not the school, sets the curriculum of what should be taught.

    We also were not allowed to use calculators until we were in Algebra II, when the calculations got to be too difficult to do by hand. If you used a calculator on a test or homework prior to Algebra II, they considered that cheating.

    Knowing Calculus on a college-entrance exam has less to do with the math itself, and more about how your MIND works. SAT's and ACT's are not about how much you know, but how you can apply it, and it's goal is to predict success in college. If you do poorly on the SAT and ACT, statistically, you won't do well in college either. So the test has done it's job.

    I am so very thankful that I grew up in a school system where I was given the opportunity to learn in a nurturing and caring environment instead of through threats and intimidation, that is extremely rampant in certain cultures, right down to the 5 year olds, and it is a very, very sad thing.

    What is so great about America, is folks can come over here from their homeland and voice opinions that they wouldn't be allowed to back home...even bash the country that they have adopted, and we fully support your right to do it. That is what is beautiful about America.

    Another great thing about America, is that every American, who doesn't like this country, is also given another right....

    ...the right to leave.
  5. by   mistydave
    way worse, i am in my 3rd day of nursing school and people are rude. I can't wait til the professor cracks down and disciplines some of these people. I am actually looking forward to it because they are distracting. I actually had to put my hand up and ignore a girl why trying to look at my instructor, and then she kept saying....excusme, excusme....she still tried to get my attention. I figure I am paying for this education and I don't care if she gets it or not, she will need to go to the teacher or talk to me after class. I think the one to look out for you is you. She can't just disrupt my learning. I will not sit beside certain people in class and I am learning that very quickly which ones those are.
  6. by   pjgarrett1388
    Kaisa2, I understand now that you were saying the American Education System needs work and I agree with you, but it was the way some things were worded in your first post that I didn't like.
    Last edit by pjgarrett1388 on Apr 29, '07
  7. by   MySimplePlan
    please respond with the manners some of say we lack and cut her a break.

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    i'm responding to the remarks she placed on this message board which agreed 'just a little bit' with a chemistry instructor's assertion that american students are stupid, lazy, and victims of a greedy american education system. my manners are fine, thank you very much, and i don't see where comments like that deserve any sort of break, esl or not.

    i'm not sure where the assumption began that americans should just take it on the chin when insulted. i'm proud of who i am and where i came from, and i'll be darned if i'm going to listen to someone who was raised elsewhere tell me how crappy my country is.

    you can, but i refuse.

    another thought: if the educational system in the united states is so horribly awful, why is kashia here receiving one?
  8. by   kasia2
    My name is Kasia not Kaisha, wow you starting make grammar mistakes your self and you are american...Im not ESL, do you have any idea what you talking about, I suggest if you dont know the meaning of ESL dont use it, ESL is for people who just recently came to this country and learn simple things like My name is ...Im....years old..you telling me about my grammar but you cant even write my name correctly in my language, that is why I wrote statement in my previous post, if you only speak my language the way I speak your...and why are so suprise that some other person said that american do lack manners, yes they do, they are not perfect, all nations have their flaws...even my nation, I think you dont get the point of this discussion, have you ever been outside your BEST country, did you do some travels to compare it to other nation, and what is so great about this educational system, yes indeed it is great because it doesnt request hard work in high school, JUST BECAUSE MOTHER LET THEIR CHILDREN DO WHAT EVER THEY WONT,DOESNT NECESSARY MEANS SHE IS GREAT MOTHER, IT USUALLY MEANS SHE DONT CARE, the same with the teacher, usually the best ones are the one who make people work hard for their grades...
  9. by   MySimplePlan
    I think the above speaks for itself.
  10. by   justme1972
    Quote from mysimpleplan
    please respond with the manners some of say we lack and cut her a break.

    i'm responding to the remarks she placed on this message board which agreed 'just a little bit' with a chemistry instructor's assertion that american students are stupid, lazy, and victims of a greedy american education system. my manners are fine, thank you very much, and i don't see where comments like that deserve any sort of break, esl or not.

    i'm not sure where the assumption began that americans should just take it on the chin when insulted. i'm proud of who i am and where i came from, and i'll be darned if i'm going to listen to someone who was raised elsewhere tell me how crappy my country is.

    you can, but i refuse.

    another thought: if the educational system in the united states is so horribly awful, why is kashia here receiving one? [/quote]
    amen to that sister!

    kasia...i'm not picking on you...i really and truly am not. coming to the usa is not necessary to learn english. i have a internet "pen pal" that i have corresponded with for at least 10 years...he is from germany...he has never been to an english speaking country...he knows our government system inside and out, speaks and writes better english than i do....perfect english, he even knows our silly cliches and can use them correctly. i have never been able to "stump" him.

    i have to ask...i mean, have to ask...why your education isn't completed abroad if it's so much better there?
  11. by   I_am_Julia
    what you have written about esl or esol is false.
    Quote from kasia2
    my name is kasia not kaisha, wow you starting make grammar mistakes your self and you are american...im not esl, do you have any idea what you talking about, i suggest if you dont know the meaning of esl dont use it, esl is for people who just recently came to this country and learn simple things like my name is ...im....years old..you telling me about my grammar but you cant even write my name correctly in my language, that is why i wrote statement in my previous post, if you only speak my language the way i speak your...and why are so suprise that some other person said that american do lack manners, yes they do, they are not perfect, all nations have their flaws...even my nation, i think you dont get the point of this discussion, have you ever been outside your best country, did you do some travels to compare it to other nation, and what is so great about this educational system, yes indeed it is great because it doesnt request hard work in high school, just because mother let their children do what ever they wont,doesnt necessary means she is great mother, it usually means she dont care, the same with the teacher, usually the best ones are the one who make people work hard for their grades...
  12. by   kasia2
    I think the above speaks for itself.

    Are you lacking arguments?

    To answer your question, Im here because my family is here, l love this country but Im not blindly in love with this country like you...Do you also lack arguments and you can only come up with very old and original one..If you dont like it then leave..cant you be more creative?
  13. by   MB37
    Kasia, you ask for respect from others and then insult me. I have no reason to lie to anyone, and have many of my own reasons to not apply to medical school. I don't believe I insulted you in my post, I was just trying to point out that not all Americans are poorly educated. I am going to close this thread now. I don't appreciate you calling me a liar.

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