Disrespectful to instructor....

catzy5 · Sep 25, 2006

Well our school is so competitive for the nursing program I don't see anyone getting away with anything like that once in the program. Most people I know with the slightest chance of even getting in are type A personality work aholics take every class very seriously read the 100+ pages and then go out and read two more books on the same subject and read those too LOL.

catherine

Freedom42 · Sep 25, 2006

Doug:

Sounds like you did your "stupid" student a big favor by pointing out her inappropriate comments.

I agree with you: So many people come to class with a mysterious sense of entitlement. Where does that come from? (As it happens, there are a lot of African immigrants and refugees at my school. They come to class prepared, are often the best students and are always respectful. They don't have that sense of entitlement.)

In today's installment of Strange But True, several of my classmates told our nursing instructor that this week's reading was "much better" than last week's "stupid assignment" and that she'd done "a good job of making the selection." Ah, the condescension of uneducated 20-year-olds. I can only hope that our professor -- a veteran nurse and a Ph.D -- was amused.

It's so unfortunate: These people ostensibly come to class to learn, yet they resist the instructor's every attempt to get them to think out of the box. They miss the point entirely. It's OK to disagree with a point of view, but do so after thinking about it -- not simply because the point of view is different from your own -- and exptress your disagreement in a civil, constructive manner.

originals · Sep 25, 2006

RE:Disrespectful students, the college i went to this would in no way be tolerated particular the nsg department the professor's did not take disrespectful behavior you are told to turn off all cell phones and their policies are if you're talking while they are lecturing read the chpt. on your own, and these are the students always bugging for explanation and complaining about the test.

akspudus · Sep 25, 2006

As I posted (vented) before, the disrespectful or disruptive students are truly a pain in the @ss. I am 34 years old with a 16 year military background. I have to stop myself all the time from saying things to other people in class. Saying things like "your actually gonna have to get off you lazy @ss and study".

This morning we had a 6 question quiz. After everyone turned in their paper, the professor went around the room asking students for the answers. A grand total one student was able to answer at least one of the questions on the quiz. (guess who). Simple questions like, "what kind of tissue would you find adipose cells in?"

When the professor got onto his soapbox and preached a sermon about studying and paying attention in lecture....the majority of the students had the attitude of "how dare he preach at me".

Most of the students in my class are there on federal financial aid. I guess trying to better themselves...or taking government handouts....ok..ok..ok...I'll stop myself there before I break my keyboard out of frustration...sheesh.

Most of the students I have talked with in my class think they have the world pegged. "As soon as I graduate nursing school...I'm gonna make 100's of thousands of dollars...blah...blah...blah" They seam to think that some miraculous act of affirmative action is going to get them into nursing school. Like it is their right or their entitlement to go. I hope they sober up when they get the rejection letter from the nursing school.

ok...stepping away now...blood pressure way to high.

akspudus

Miami Dade College

vickynurse · Sep 25, 2006

It's another reason why there is a shortage of instructors.
I've taught for 5 years in an ADN program. Each year, student behavior worsens. Unfortunately, we have to put up with it because "the students are our customers." We have to speak to them as if they are "adult learners" even when their behavior is worse than that of middle school children. I demand respect and have methods to help students to alter their behavior for the better. Their classmates thank me in private. Unfortunately, the ill behaved students stab me in the back on the written instructor evaluations and that is all my boss sees. I am labeled as the meanest nursing instructor in the program. Thank God for tenure! At least I have the satisfaction of improving some for the better.

MB37 · Sep 28, 2006

Just have to vent again. Tuesday in my Dev Psych class we used the whole period to review our first exam. Our prof lets us drop one of four exams, including the final, and the final is made up of 100% questions from old tests. Tuesday, she spent the majority of the class TELLING US which questions would be on the final, explaining why the right answer was what it was, etc. I think this is awesome - it means anyone who cares should make 100 on the final, so it should be an easy A course. Instead of being respectful, quiet, and thankful to her, my class spent a good chunk of the time arguing with her about certain questions being "stupid," or "semantically incorrect." They raised their hand, then said, "I got this question right, BUT you shouldn't have..." This was in front of 100 people, not in private. It was always clear what she was trying to get across in the questions. I was absolutely floored. Next time, if I were her, I would simply cancel the review session and move on with lecture. Again, class attendance is voluntary in this class. She did eventually ask the complaining students to set up an appointment with her if they had any further questions, so we could finish our review before class was over. They snickered some more, and we moved on. I couldn't believe it. Just had to vent, I've been saving this one for a couple days. Thanks!

LMRN10 · Sep 28, 2006

Just have to vent again. Tuesday in my Dev Psych class we used the whole period to review our first exam. Our prof lets us drop one of four exams, including the final, and the final is made up of 100% questions from old tests. Tuesday, she spent the majority of the class TELLING US which questions would be on the final, explaining why the right answer was what it was, etc. I think this is awesome - it means anyone who cares should make 100 on the final, so it should be an easy A course. Instead of being respectful, quiet, and thankful to her, my class spent a good chunk of the time arguing with her about certain questions being "stupid," or "semantically incorrect." They raised their hand, then said, "I got this question right, BUT you shouldn't have..." This was in front of 100 people, not in private. It was always clear what she was trying to get across in the questions. I was absolutely floored. Next time, if I were her, I would simply cancel the review session and move on with lecture. Again, class attendance is voluntary in this class. She did eventually ask the complaining students to set up an appointment with her if they had any further questions, so we could finish our review before class was over. They snickered some more, and we moved on. I couldn't believe it. Just had to vent, I've been saving this one for a couple days. Thanks!

Oh yes...I have seen this too and I cannot stand it. I think your instructor handled it well in the end telling them to see her after class if they had any issues.

squeakykitty · Apr 27, 2007

......One kid kept wanting me to share my book, paper, markers, wanting me to explain thigns to him and copy my answers. he'd say "I know the answer is this, why do I have to do the work?" etc. Heck I DON'T DO MY OWN KIDS' WORK FOR THEM, why would I do HIS??
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I had a classmate who copied homework, didn't study, and got Fs. She claimed her CNA instructor was prejudiced because the instructor told her she wouldn't do well in nursing school. I guess she thought the instructor was "mean" for telling her that. She only lasted for less than half of a semester.

RNDreamer · Apr 28, 2007

Yes, i've noticed it to.
My pet peeves:
*Cell phones ringing in class. Someone in my past CNA class actually answered their phone during class before.
*Crosstalk. People that talk to each other while the teacher is lecturing.
*Students who try to teach the class, or interupt the lecture to tell their life's story.

I experienced all this in my CNA class as well....what really annoyed me were the classmates who love to "help" everyone during the clinical part of the course....I wanted to say "#!#$ off, lady..I can make the bed myself!"

kasia2 · Apr 28, 2007

Well from my experiences, I dont mean to be predigist in US the school system sucks big time, I mean especially public high schools, people just go there to sit and pass their time, and nobody cares...One of the ten students is there to learn, to be honest with you for me it was cultural shock when I first came to this country, I would never send my child to inner city high school never, in my country such method of teaching would never be accepted, high school students respect and fear the teachers and everyone study so hard and prays every night so he or she can make it to the end of high school and people come out so smart by this method you wouldnt believe, that is why I hated high school over here because of the methods of teaching, I didnt write to offend anyone of course...

ceraleigh · Apr 28, 2007

Well from my experiences, I dont mean to be predigist in US the school system sucks big time, I mean especially public high schools, people just go there to sit and pass their time, and nobody cares...One of the ten students is there to learn, to be honest with you for me it was cultural shock when I first came to this country, I would never send my child to inner city high school never, in my country such method of teaching would never be accepted, high school students respect and fear the teachers and everyone study so hard and prays every night so he or she can make it to the end of high school and people come out so smart by this method you wouldnt believe, that is why I hated high school over here because of the methods of teaching, I didnt write to offend anyone of course...

My opinion is that it's because of the cultural shift in manners and acceptable behavior. Parents work and often dont have enough energy ot time left over to properly raise their children, they mistake disrespect with independence, and dont feel the support of society to enforce rules and regulations. (remember when you used to get your but paddled at the neighbors house for sassing back and then also back at home?)

People of all ages are so concerned with number one they obsess about themselves and how to make themselves happy and feel good. As a society as a whole, we are a "me" nation. This is what leads into these types of behaviors described here.

justme1972 · Apr 28, 2007

I'm all about being respectful toward professors...but it's a two-way street. I don't engage in this "new trend" toward calling professors by their first name, and frankly, professors deserve better.

My "psycho" Chemistry professor...students are not at all respectful to him...but then again...when we students have been told very openly, that we are stupid, lazy, that we are "victims" of a horrible American Education system run by greed, we threw out any respect we had for him a long time ago.

He doesn't know it yet...but the Dean is going to have a looooong conversation with him after the semester is over.