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- Feb 4, '11 by kalami08Hotflashion, I know that California has a higher cost of living, but it's not always as bad as it's cracked up to be - as long as you're willing to do a 30-45 minute commute, you should be able to find someplace reasonable to live. Plus, the pay out here is good for new grads, especially BSN's (in Southern CA at least). PM me if you ever change your mind and want to know what schools to apply to.
- Feb 4, '11 by mb1949I graduated in June 2010, 6 months and hundreds of applications and nothing no interviews, nothing! I am in NYC and ADN or AAS nurses cannot find jobs, even BSN's are having a hard time. There are just no new grad jobs, I too am a second career nurse, was actually taking a probable pay cut to become a nurse, now I would cut off my right arm to get back into my old job, but that is not an option. Right now I am pursuing BSN and about to give up on nursing, I am so discouraged, I would tell anyone in NYC area to forget about ADN and AAS degree and just go for the BSN or try something else. Right now I am looking for admin work and if I find something decent I will leave nursing before I even started., BTY the hospitals were I did clinicals had a majority of foreign born nurses, I never really thought about it until I saw the scarcity of jobs.
- Feb 4, '11 by NRSKarenRNplease remember that nursing is not the only profession being affected by economic meltdown.
popular cable tv channels bravo and food network glamorized the culinary profession. in 2010, seemed like there was an ad hourly to become a chef. my son desired culinary career based on high school courses, went to culinary college, graduated 2009 with bs with honors and worked 60 + hrs wk till economic meltdown, lack customers laid off in august . scant positions advertised. has applied to 50+ positions online, some in other states had 1 interview and didn't land position. his friend went to university of penn wharton's school of business who's grads always snapped up--some 2009 grads still haven't found entry level business position. other son is underemployed working at convenience store as his beloved it entry level positions dried up.
sounds awfully familiar
nurses have been emigrating to us for over 30+ years due to lack of interest in profession as early baby boomers told their daughters they could do anything --no longer had to settle for careers teaching and nursing .
as hospitals sprung up on growing areas country, employers couldn't find enough home grown talent so influx foreign educated experienced rn's occurred. pockets around the country do have makeup of 75% foreign staff as hard working employees knew others who wanted work, didn't mind inner city conditions, and had their relatives and friends come join them....seen often in so california, chicago and ny city. i've written often of my first hospital position 1977 was like working at un as healthcare staff from many countries: philippines, thailand, india, england and ireland. couldn't understand beloved mrs t night supervisor for 3 months due to rapid speech---sure did help accommodate my ear to different speech patterns which i'd had limited experience --different from polish heard from grandparents and their siblings.
heck, i'm responsible for the oversupply of new grads in philly who can't find positions due to 2001 nurses march along with johnson + johnson campaign to entice women and men into career i enjoy.
i did not foresee that with modern meds, safer anesthesia and minimally invasive surgery, growth of outpatient centers, loss of health insurance or higher deductibles so elective surgery postponed all causing less hospitalized patients. this trend will not be reversed. i do see growth in many outpatient settings going forward.
some areas country setting up 6 months nurse residency programs --my crystal ball predicts this will become norm going forward to gain experience.
i've hired new rn grads over past 2yrs, both leaving for hospital experience which i expected. one has stayed perdiem. when discussing her schedule this week ,she lamented why didn't i prepare her that caring solo for 4 telemetry patients was hard work, 12 hr shift was 13-14 by time your gave report etc. sympathized with her that this new phase will pass, wisdom will be gained with each new encounter and welcomed her to chat with those in first year after nursing licensure.
for all the unemployed, please hang in there. getting foot inside health system today is not guarantee of nursing position on graduation like older days. expand job search outside your desired area, take certification courses if available, and network-- newtork-- network. it's how i found every one of my positions.
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- Feb 4, '11 by 0402I understand some of the hostility towards nurses that were actively recruited from other countries just because hospitals feel they get "more bang for the buck," if you will. However, I'm not really understanding why all foreign-born nurses are being grouped together. People come to this country for many reasons. Many of the RNs I work with grew up in other countries, but many came before they were RNs and, in fact, attended nursing school in the US. I have a friend who went to nursing school in Brazil and was an RN there for several years before she met and married her husband, who is in the US military. She now resides in the US and spent a long time studying for the NCLEX and plans on applying for jobs in the coming year. Yes, she's foreign trained but did not come to the us with the sole purpose of "getting an American RN job." I would hate to work in some of these places if, God forbid, I had an accent or something, so you automatically made all of these hostile assumptions about me.
- Feb 4, '11 by Esme12Quote from bree*That's exactly why I stopped at LPN! I got to see nursing for what it is. I swear the hospitals I was at were literally 90%+ foreign nurses. How do I know? You can barely understand their English! I just don't understand why they are still hiring foreigners with all of these capable/willing U.S. nurses.
- Feb 4, '11 by StillSeekingTo answer the "what city do you live in" question, it's the Bay Area, CA for me. Knowing how few jobs and how many layoffs we've had I've focused my search well out of the area (all of CA in fact!), despite the fact my husband can't just pick up and leave his job in SF. :-(
- Feb 4, '11 by StillSeekingOh, and I will say in defense of foreign nurses (I am not foreign) that I am not seeing foreign nurses being hired over locals. I am hardly seeing *anyone* being hired. Most (all??) of the hospitals around here are unionized, so they can't exactly start one nurse making less than another.
- Feb 4, '11 by rn4ever?I am curious how anyone can just claim that they see many "foreign nurses" working in their hospital. How did you actually know they are foreign? Did they show you their passport? Or you just assumed-----because her accent is different than yours and she doesn’t look like you? That is not fair. He or she may be a US Citizen afterall.
- Feb 4, '11 by skqbThe nursing shortage was not engineered or misrepresented. The economy tanked and the large number of RN's expected to retire find that they can't afford to and they are remaining in the workforce. Additionally, the number of RN's that are mothers that typically cut down on hours, may have an unemployed spouse at home and they are now the major breadwinner. There are many factors involved. However, this is a cycle in the economy and eventually it will recover, the RN's will retire/cut back and we will need well prepared new grads.
I agree with supply and demand so take a page from the business world and be prepared to market yourself.
In this market all the rules have changed. Be prepared to discuss why you specifically went into nursing, what your future professional goals are and to give examples of difficult patient interactions and how you handled them. Don't use genral terms like caring and dedicated without having examples of how and why you embody those traits. Employers have their pick of the best of the best and you need to stress why YOU will be an asset to the floor.
Do your research on the unit and the staff. Units/floors are unique and you should be prepared to discuss what makes them unique. do they only do 12 hours shifts, an RN only model ( no UAP's?) Do RN's drive rounding? Know the institution you are applying to..are they government owned, have Magnet status, is there flexibility to go to grad school, are you expected to become certified in your specialty and at what point in your career?
Med-Surg is a specialty and those that work in Med-Surg are proud of the work they do. Immediate turnoff for me in an interview is hearing that you are interested in med-surg as a stepping stone. Regardless of where you are interviewing, make sure it is a patient population you enjoy and are challenged by or your burnout will be fast and furious.
Not having questions prepared for the interviewer looks like you haven't done any research. Building a strong staff is essential to patient outcomes and nothing is guaranteed in nursing anymore. Thoroughly prepare for the interview and send a thank you note.