When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story - pg.5 | allnurses

When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story - page 5

As nurses, we wear many hats. To name a few: we are caregivers, providers, assessors, comforters, encouragers, teachers, an ear to listen. Are we to be evangelists or preachers? In my opinion, no... Read More

  1. Visit  FSUNurse2b profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    I know you feel strongly about your faith.....but in nursing..... it is not about you.

    You will find that even when a patient asks what you believe....they may not really be interested and will probably end up reporting you for unprofessional/inappropriate behavior. Trust me this has and will happen.

    Nursing.....this is a world of the unexpected. Of unexpected idiosyncrasies in dealing with the general public that is NOT always what they appear....you will not be able to change them nor predict their behavior. Many will respond just as vehemently while hospitalized as they would if you quoted scripture at the bank. People will react even stronger for they don't feel well and are in a vulnerable position.

    I am sorry that this may not be what you want to hear....but the expectation of keeping religion out of the work place will be similar as it is in your bank. Some religious affiliated facilities are more tolerate of a doctrine related care/demeanor while other facilities will not be tolerant at all. I tell you this not to affront your beliefs but to help you understand what the expectation is at the bedside......I have been a nurse for 35 years.....just the voice of wisdom and experience.

    It is kind of like when a patient will ask you for your address or phone number because they want to "keep in touch" or thank you....it is not appropriate to give them your personal information. You respond with a "that is so kind but I do not give out my personal information" You don't give out your personal information....you don't discuss your personal opinion about religion, marriage, politics because it is personal and it isn't about you.....it is all about the patient.

    Patients can be comforted without scripture....that is your job.

    You might find your experience different once you get into school or into the workforce.....I wish you the best.
    Thank you for your honesty. I completely hear you on this. It's so unfortunate that people would act like this. If I were a patient, I would never in all my life report someone or conspire to have them terminated, no matter how they treated me. So sad...

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    I will most certainly proceed with abundant caution, especially within the workplace. I want to become a nurse, more so to take care of the sick, then to preach the gospel to them. But I'm sure, I'll have wonderful moments that I'll be able to freely discuss the gospel of Jesus Christ with another fellow Christian patient.
  2. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
    #53 3
    Quote from leslie :-D
    WRONG answer.
    you would NOT tell a dying patient in spiritual distress/crisis, that they may be doomed to everlasting destruction!!!
    some of these folks have already spoken with the hospice chaplain, have fervently prayed and are still questioning their faith...their beliefs!!
    so HELL no, you would never never never insinuate anything remotely terrifying to a pt in crisis.
    NEVER.
    yes, i got incredibly upset by your response.
    please, do not work with the dying.
    i know you mean well, but that has to be one of the scariest responses i've ever seen.

    i'm done here.



    leslie
    leslie, I'm pretty sure as someone who has had plenty of hospice experience, you know hospice programs weed out people with that attitude when they apply for positions. The hospice environment is supposed to be supportive, compassionate, not inflicting needless distress on the patient. We may not agree with or understand a patient's spiritual beliefs, and we don't need to. What we do need to do is provide comfort for patients and their families.
  3. Visit  FSUNurse2b profile page
    #54 2
    Quote from OCNRN63
    leslie, I'm pretty sure as someone who has had plenty of hospice experience, you know hospice programs weed out people with that attitude when they apply for positions.
    Do people actually put that information on applications?

    Yes, I agree. Anyone telling any patient that they're "doomed to everlasting destruction" would not be supportive or compassionate and would most certainly inflict needless distress on the patient.

    Well said.
  4. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Yes, I agree. Anyone telling any patient that they're "doomed to everlasting destruction" would not be supportive or compassionate and would most certainly inflict needless distress on the patient.
    ah...i'm glad you've come around and seen the light.
    good answer.

    leslie
  5. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
    #56 1
    I sat in on a devotional with abpatient who asked me to. She had a massive stroke and was learning how tobspeak and eat again. I thought it was amazing how she asked me to join and I still remember her little voice trying tob get the words out. Imo itbwas approproate for me to join because I was asked to and inshare the same faith. Ive prayed withb patients many times but always when they asked me to. Id never push it on anyone but I am perfectly happy to talk abiut it or share my love of the Lord with whomever asks.
  6. Visit  benegesserit profile page
    #57 2
    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Well, I'm not a nurse quite yet. I hope that doesn't preclude me from responding to this post. My wife is an RN and you are correct, Christians have to be VERY careful within the workplace.
    Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Scientologists, Muslims, Jews, Zoroastians, Atheists, and any other variation on faith or lack thereof all need to be equally careful in sharing their faith or lack thereof. None of those are appropriate to share when not initiated by the patient.
  7. Visit  BCgradnurse profile page
    #58 2
    In a somewhat relevant aside, a Boston's Childrens Hospital psychiatrist just lost his medical license for giving a patient a "spiritual diagnosis". Allegedly he became convinced a 16 year old girl suffered from evil spirits and he became her spiritual mentor and tried to convert her to his faith. He gave her a cross to wear instead of a different religious symbol she was wearing, and took her to his home and to his church. He also failed to report supposed abuse by her mother to proper authorities.

    This was in today's Boston Globe. I tried to post a link but was unsuccessful. Obviously, this doctor crossed a line and this is an extreme example of imposing your religion on a patient. But it is a cautionary tale for those who would freely share their views when not invited to do so.
  8. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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  9. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Do people actually put that information on applications?

    Yes, I agree. Anyone telling any patient that they're "doomed to everlasting destruction" would not be supportive or compassionate and would most certainly inflict needless distress on the patient.

    Well said.
    During the interview process they are going to be careful to make sure people aren't going to try to push an agenda on their patients.
  10. Visit  Esme12 profile page
    #61 4
    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Thank you for your honesty. I completely hear you on this. It's so unfortunate that people would act like this. If I were a patient, I would never in all my life report someone or conspire to have them terminated, no matter how they treated me. So sad...

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    I will most certainly proceed with abundant caution, especially within the workplace. I want to become a nurse, more so to take care of the sick, then to preach the gospel to them. But I'm sure, I'll have wonderful moments that I'll be able to freely discuss the gospel of Jesus Christ with another fellow Christian patient.
    I will pray that you find the strength that you need to avoid discussing the gospel of Jesus Christ and quoting scripture when you become a nurse. This in a majority of situations...will find yourself in trouble with the hospital administration. Really..you can't go around quoting scripture. I am just trying to save you from being terribly disappointed and shocked ....or fired.....at the reality of the situation. OR you will need to find a fundamentalist christian hospital.

    People will report you for wearing the wrong hair ribbon. Trust me the hospital world is NO DIFFERENT than your banking corporate world....the patients is the customer and the customer is always right.

    I wish you the best.
  11. Visit  FSUNurse2b profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    I will pray that you find the strength that you need to avoid discussing the gospel of Jesus Christ and quoting scripture when you become a nurse. This in a majority of situations...will find yourself in trouble with the hospital administration. Really..you can't go around quoting scripture. I am just trying to save you from being terribly disappointed and shocked ....or fired.....at the reality of the situation. OR you will need to find a fundamentalist christian hospital.

    People will report you for wearing the wrong hair ribbon. Trust me the hospital world is NO DIFFERENT than your banking corporate world....the patients is the customer and the customer is always right.

    I wish you the best.
    I don't have to "quote" scripture, to relay a comforting message to a fellow Christian patient, that as a believer, they have eternal life and therefore, will not be appointed to God's wrath.

    If you heard a nurse having a discussion, such as this, to a fellow Christian patient and they (the patient) initiated the conversation, would you report that nurse or argue in "favor" of their termination?
  12. Visit  TopazLover profile page
    #63 3
    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    I don't have to "quote" scripture, to relay a comforting message to a fellow Christian patient, that as a believer, they have eternal life and therefore, will not be appointed to God's wrath.

    If you heard a nurse having a discussion, such as this, to a fellow Christian patient and they (the patient) initiated the conversation, would you report that nurse or argue in "favor" of their termination?
    Given the workload of most nurses it would have to be quick. Since most nurses have 12 to 14 hour bladders and minimal food needs met while at work anything more than a short acknowledgement of faith would deprive others of care.

    I would not argue for termination based on having a discussion. If it impacted others workloads or impacted care of patients I would have a problem with it. Religious discussions are after work discussions the same as other avocational discussions. You want to talk about the football draft beyond a few words then you offer to come back on your own time to discuss. Same with religion. You are not being paid to discuss religion. Nurses need to be conversant on many topics. That does not give them a free pass to neglect other duties.
  13. Visit  BCgradnurse profile page
    #64 4
    Exactly what aknottedyarn said. In addition, I would ask that you also be respectful of the patient in the next bed. They may not share your views and might be offended if you start talking about who is "saved" vs. who isn't. One of the very unattractive things about any group or religion is when it is implied that one viewpoint or set of beliefs is the only right or true one.

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