Colorado - Illegal Immigrants no longer eligble for state health care - page 24

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the... Read More

  1. by   HM2VikingRN
    There are endless references out there to support birthright citizenship as a constitutional right both within the text of the constitutional amendment AND as a result of each time congress has restated naturalization and citizenship laws. (Every time congress has restated that within a statute it has in effect reaffirmed birthright citizenship.)
  2. by   Fuzzy
    I wish that I could do something illegal and be rewarded for it. Naw I would just end up in jail. I say send them back. Fine and jail employers for hiring them. If they have a kid in this country give them a choice kid goes with them or stays with someone who is here legally. Sorry, I'm out on compassion today.

    Fuzzy
  3. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from HM2Viking
    There are endless references out there to support birthright citizenship as a constitutional right both within the text of the constitutional amendment AND as a result of each time congress has restated naturalization and citizenship laws. (Every time congress has restated that within a statute it has in effect reaffirmed birthright citizenship.)
    I am aware of the law. Because congress deams it a constitutional right doesn't mean that I have to agree. And I don't. That's my constitutional right.
    Last edit by DutchgirlRN on Jun 16, '07
  4. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from Fuzzy
    I wish that I could do something illegal and be rewarded for it. Naw I would just end up in jail. I say send them back. Fine and jail employers for hiring them. If they have a kid in this country give them a choice kid goes with them or stays with someone who is here legally. Sorry, I'm out on compassion today.

    Fuzzy

    :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:
  5. by   SaderNurse05
    I am with Dutch and Fuzzy. Something has got to give.
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
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    But that’s not the whole story. In fact, most of the public has a favorable view of immigrants.
    Sixty-seven percent of Americans told Gallup that “on the whole,” immigration is a “good
    thing for this country today.”
    [FONT=StoneSerif]51 [FONT=StoneSerif]The same May 2007 CBS N ews/[FONT=StoneSerif-Italic]New York Times [FONT=StoneSerif]poll revealed
    that twice as many Americans said that “most recent immigrants to the United S tates
    contribute to this country” (57 percent) as said they “cause problems” (28 percent). E ven the
    impact of illegal immigration on U.S. jobs is tempered by the widespread belief that illegal
    immigrants “take jobs Americans don’t want” (59 percent) rather than “take jobs away from
    American citizens” (30 percent).
    The buzzword “amnesty” for illegal immigrants has political weight, but Americans are
    more tolerant than the media coverage often suggests. S ixty-two percent of Americans in the
    CBS N ews/
    [FONT=StoneSerif-Italic]New York Times [FONT=StoneSerif]poll said undocumented immigrants should be given a chance
    to “keep their jobs and eventually apply
    for legal status.” O nly 33 percent said they
    should be “deported.” Polls by Gallup and
    CNN show even higher levels of support
    for integrating people who entered illegally

    but worked while they were here.
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  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    You can try to parse that the American public WANTS illegal aliens here, but it's just not true. There is widespread support for closing our borders and rolling up the welcome mat. In fact, the concept has widespread, BIPARTISAN support.

    Only the extremes of both parties want to keep the borders open.

    The progressive, blame America first crowd believes that the accumulation of wealth is a sin and wants open borders because as a rich nation, America is guilty of the Capital crime of being hugely successful as a nation. That wealth must be redistributed and illegal aliens are as good an agenda as any to advance said redistribution.

    Then there are extreme left wing politicians that believe that illegal aliens, once granted amnesty, will translate into legal, left wing voters. That's poor logic, however, because 2nd gen Americans tend to be more conservative. Much more.

    The other extreme, on the right, just wants its slave labor, no matter the cost.

    Those extremes exists outside the mainstream of public opinion.

    The current CIR has widespread support for the tougher border enforcement provisions but is in danger of not passing BECAUSE Congress is afraid of the public reaction to the amnesty provisions. They should be.

    Most Americans understand that the thing that separates us from most other nations is our fundamental belief, as a people, in the concept of the rule of law. The law is greater than any man. We have founded our Republic on this concept. Inviting illegal aliens to come over with all the benefits currently being dangled defies the rule of law.

    Most Americans disagree with undermining the rule of law that defines us a nation. We are pro-immigrant as a nation. We are also pro-fairness. It's not fair to allow some to subvert the system.

    I just don't understand how someone that believes so much in "fairness" could tolerate or support a concept of some people taking unfair advantage over others.

    See here's the thing about that 'jobs Americans won't do' concept. There is NO job that Americans won't do. There are just jobs that Americans won't do for 3 bucks an hour. Stop undermining the lower rung of our workforce with 3 buck/hr labor, and you wouldn't need a minimum wage. Those jobs would go to Americans at a much higher rate of pay. The result: a 'redistribution' of income earning ability more in-line to where it should be.

    Those that support illegal immigration support the concept of corporate profits over the little guy. How could a h.s. grad possibly support a family when his salary is constantly being undercut by someone that will take less than half pay for the same work?

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  8. by   ZASHAGALKA
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190857,00.html

    Fox Opinion Dynamics Poll 4/07:

    8 out of 10 Americans believe it is unfair to grant rights to illegal immigrants while so many others wait to come to the United States legally.

    Almost all Americans (90 percent) say illegal immigration is a "very" serious (60 percent) or "somewhat" serious (30 percent) problem for the country today — essentially unchanged from a year ago this time.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

    CBS poll 5/07

    "Do you think illegal immigrants do more to strengthen the U.S. economy because they provide low-cost labor and they spend money, or do illegal immigrants do more to weaken the U.S. economy because they don't all pay taxes but use public services?"

    70% : weaken the economy.

    "Should ILLEGAL immigrants be prosecuted and deported for being in the U.S. illegally, or shouldn't they?"

    69%: Should.

    LA Times/Bloomberg Poll 4/07:

    "Generally speaking, do you believe employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants should or should not be punished for their actions?"

    Should: 77%
    Should Not: 18%
    Unsure: 5%

    Quinnipiac University Poll 11/06:


    Do you think additional measures are needed from Congress to deal with illegal immigrants entering the country or do you think this is enough for now?"

    More Needed: 71%

    Fox News Opinion Dynamics Poll 7/06


    "If Congress fails to pass an immigration bill before the upcoming midterm election, who do you think will be most to blame: President Bush, Republicans in Congress or Democrats in Congress?"

    President Bush: 21%
    Republicans in Congress: 22%
    Democrats in Congress:21%

    The result: equal blame for all. As should be.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Jun 18, '07
  9. by   lindarn
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190857,00.html

    Fox Opinion Dynamics Poll 4/07:

    8 out of 10 Americans believe it is unfair to grant rights to illegal immigrants while so many others wait to come to the United States legally.

    Almost all Americans (90 percent) say illegal immigration is a "very" serious (60 percent) or "somewhat" serious (30 percent) problem for the country today — essentially unchanged from a year ago this time.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

    CBS poll 5/07

    "Do you think illegal immigrants do more to strengthen the U.S. economy because they provide low-cost labor and they spend money, or do illegal immigrants do more to weaken the U.S. economy because they don't all pay taxes but use public services?"

    70% : weaken the economy.

    "Should ILLEGAL immigrants be prosecuted and deported for being in the U.S. illegally, or shouldn't they?"

    69%: Should.

    LA Times/Bloomberg Poll 4/07:

    "Generally speaking, do you believe employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants should or should not be punished for their actions?"

    Should: 77%
    Should Not: 18%
    Unsure: 5%

    Quinnipiac University Poll 11/06:


    Do you think additional measures are needed from Congress to deal with illegal immigrants entering the country or do you think this is enough for now?"

    More Needed: 71%

    Fox News Opinion Dynamics Poll 7/06


    "If Congress fails to pass an immigration bill before the upcoming midterm election, who do you think will be most to blame: President Bush, Republicans in Congress or Democrats in Congress?"

    President Bush: 21%
    Republicans in Congress: 22%
    Democrats in Congress:21%

    The result: equal blame for all. As should be.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Timothy,

    I may not always agree with you, but this time I am behind your point of view 100%! We do not need any more illegal immigrants in this country, and I am in full support of revoking the concept of "birthright citizenship" I think that this ill-thought out law, has been the biggest factor in the illegal immigrant mess this country now finds itself in. There is too many loopholes to this law, and they are taken advantage of 100% by illegal aliens.

    We need to pressure our elected officials to work on revoking "birthright citizenship", deny any and all social services includng welfare and foodstamps, deny illegal immigrant children admission to all of our public schools, ancluding emementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges. Especially deny illegal immigrant children admission to our state colleges and iniversities as "state residents" for lower tuition.

    We need to severly punish emplolyers who hire illegal immigrants, and circumvent out labor and wage laws. You are right- there are no jobs that Ameeican won't do. Only jobs that American won't do fo $3 an hour.

    Illegal immigrants are weakening this country by undercutting jobs and leaving American workers jobless. They use more social services than they pay in taxes, and take full advantage of our health care, without paying the taxes to help pay for them. I would fully support starting to send the health and social services bill to the new president of Mexico, and let them pay for their own citizens for a change. JMHO, and my NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Spokane, Washington
    Last edit by lindarn on Jun 18, '07 : Reason: spelling
  10. by   BChapp3182
    Over 60 hospitals have had to close in California since 1999 because they are not getting paid for the care given to illegals. Illegals cost us over 12 billion dollars a year in health care. Healthcare workers were out of jobs.

    We can not support the world. If we keep our borders open we will become a third world country. These people need to return home and fight their own fight instead of taking the easy way out.

    Don't think for a minute that they do jobs that American's don't want. It's not true. It's just that Americans won't do it for less than minimum wage because we have to pay taxes, health ins, and don't split our rent with 70 other people living in the house. Don't laugh, here in Miami a 2 bedroom house was just busted for drugs and they found 70 illegal alliens living in it!

    Check out sites like ALIPAC.com to find some hard core facts about how illegals impact our economy.
  11. by   DutchgirlRN
    But that’s not the whole story. In fact, most of the public has a favorable view of immigrants. Sixty-seven percent of Americans told Gallup that “on the whole,” immigration is a “good thing for this country today.”
    The public probably does have a favorable view of immigrants....It says immigrants "not" illegal immigrants.

    LEGAL immigration is a good thing for this country. Profesional people whose knowledge and skills are needed here are allowed to legally immigrate and do contribute to our economy in a healthy way and are able to feed their families are have health care benefits provided to them through their jobs. They are not holding out their hands.

    I think it's unbelieveably criminal to sneak into our country illegally and expect to be entitled to the same priviledges that we enjoy because of the millions of Americans's who died to preserve our freedom.

    Timothy, You Rock!!
    Last edit by DutchgirlRN on Jun 18, '07
  12. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from BChapp3182
    Over 60 hospitals have had to close in California since 1999 because they are not getting paid for the care given to illegals.Healthcare workers were out of jobs.
    Great...now they're causing us to lose our jobs... :angryfire

    There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country. There's no way we are going to be able to send them all home but is imperative that we stop making life so easy for them while they're here.
  13. by   HM2VikingRN
    a study by the national academy of sciences also found that tax payments generated by immigrants outweighed any costs associated with services used by immigrants.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070625/ehrenreich

    americans have one of two choices to make, jacobs said: you can either allow illegal immigrants to continue living in the shadows, unable to participate in the economy or the banking system, or "you can have people who are part of the economy, who are vibrant people, who have full documentation."
    ...

    they are also asking people to submit their own stories and "get on the train," by signing a petition to support immigration reform that: keeps families together by preserving the current family immigration system and eliminating immigration backlogs.
    brings immigrants out of the shadows by providing a path to citizenship, and helps achieve their positive integration into american society.
    strengthens our economy by creating legal avenues for workers to come, while ensuring that all workers have rights and dignity.
    protects our borders and improves life in border communities by establishing an immigration system that works.
    nurse wynona stears, an immigrant from belize, is one of the "dreamers." she says that "most immigrants do good for the country."
    "we work hard, we contribute and all we're asking is to have the american dream, to have a good life," stears says.
    http://alternet.org/rights/54239/
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Jun 20, '07

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