BSN's deliver safer care than ADN's??

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Now, I am all for further education, but I think this study is skewed. I truly don't see how they have come to the conclusion that taking more courses in the humanities and other such non-nursing related courses is going to produce a more competent bedside nurse. The core nursing cirriculum for most ADN and BSN programs is quite similar in my experience. I can see where the BSN nurse may have it over the ADN in managerial type roles, but as a bedside nurse? I think lots more studies need to be done before this quick conclusion is drawn. One factor that may affect nursing in this negative way is the poor economy. Maybe it is that some people are going into nursing just because it will almost guarantee them employment and don't really want to be in nursing and therefore are not as dedicated as nurses? These people may not want to go for the BSN. I don't know...that is just something I am throwing out there because this makes no sense to me. I don't want to start the old BSN vs. ADN war, but this is news and I was wondering, what do you all think?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030923-050052-9024r

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The ongoing nursing shortage in the United States has forced some hospitals to rely on nurses with less than a college education as they scramble to fill vacancies but new research suggests the practice can yield deadly consequences for patients.

The study, the first of its kind, reveals patients undergoing surgeries at hospitals where a greater proportion of nurses have obtained a bachelor's or higher degree experienced a lower rate of death than patients at hospitals where most nurses had only associate degrees.

Such findings have implications not only for patients but also for how nursing schools, hospitals and even the U.S. Congress should address the nursing shortage, Linda Aiken, a nurse and lead investigator of the study, told United Press International.

These institutions have made efforts to address the nursing shortage by facilitating the rapid training of nurses via associate degree programs, but the study indicates in the long-run the strategy might be worse for both patients and hospitals, said Aiken, who is director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing in Philadelphia.

It underscores the need to find ways to increase the numbers of nurses graduating from bachelor degree programs, she said, noting some hospitals studied did not employ a single nurse with a bachelor's or higher degree.

In the study, which is published in the Sept. 24 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Aiken's team examined patient data from 168 Pennsylvania hospitals over a 19-month period beginning in 1998. They found, all other factors being equal, hospitals where 60 percent of the nurses held a bachelor's degree or higher had a 19-percent lower rate of surgical patients dying within 30 days of admission or dying from complications than hospitals where only 20 percent of nurses had higher degrees.

The authors estimate if all the hospitals in the study could meet the 60-percent, bachelor's-degree-or-higher threshold, 725 patient deaths could have been prevented over the study period.

The differences in patient mortality rates "are stunning and should make people very concerned," Geraldine Bednash, a registered nurse and executive director of the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, told UPI. "One of the first questions (patients) ought to ask people in a hospital is what is the proportion of their nurses with bachelor's degrees, and if it's not 60 percent or higher, I'd be very concerned about going into that hospital," Bednash said.

The higher rate of patient deaths associated with lower education level is compounded by the fact that "all of the federal government's projections about the nursing shortage over the past decade have not only projected a shortage of nurses but a severe shortage of baccalaureate degreed nurses," Aiken said. At present, less than half of all hospital staff nurses across the nation hold bachelor's degrees or higher.

"Policymakers seem to think we just need to get nurses out fast," but that is not good for hospitals or patients, Bednash said, suggesting legislators should focus on developing ways to produce more nurses with bachelor degrees because "it makes a difference in people's care and whether or not they live or die."

President George W. Bush signed the Nurse Reinvestment Act into law in 2002 in an effort to remedy the nursing shortage and Congress will likely authorize no more than $163 million for fiscal year 2004. But this falls far short of the $250 million the American Association of Colleges of Nursing estimated would be needed to address the problem.

"To date, we've had mostly a symbolic response from Congress," Aiken said, noting the money the legislative body has appropriated is "not a sufficient amount to close the nursing shortage."

Hospitals also have a role to play in addressing the problem, however, Aiken continued. They should "subsidize continued education to the nurses because there is a return to the hospital in terms of greater productivity and better patient outcomes," she said. But many hospitals do not seem to recognize the value of more education in their nurse because many have discontinued tuition reimbursement programs to help their nurses obtain bachelor's or advanced degrees, she said.

Aiken also noted the study found nursing experience was not associated with lower mortality rates of patients. "It's the educational level that's important and experience alone cannot achieve the same level of benefit for the patient as education plus experience," she said.

Joan Hrubetz, dean of the school of nursing at Saint Louis University, said as medical treatments become even more sophisticated, hospitals "will need nurses with advanced education to be able to deal with the kinds of treatments and diagnostics" that likely would be developed in the era of genetics and molecular-based medicine. "I don't think there's any question we need better trained nurses," Hrubetz told UPI.

Nevertheless, hospitals appear to be reluctant to make any changes based on this single study.

"Hospitals are very interested in studies such as this ... but it really needs to have further studies done because this really only represents one state," Rita Turley, president of the American Organization of Nurse Executives -- a subsidiary of the American Hospital Association -- told UPI.

The good news is although enrollment rates in baccalaureate nursing programs had been down over the past decade, they now appear to be on the rise. In addition, many schools are offering rapid training programs, in which holders of bachelor degrees in other fields can obtain a bachelor's degree in nursing in approximately one year, which may help increase the number of people joining the nursing profession.

I think if employers really believed BSN was better, we would see more advancement oppurtunities. Maybe they offering to pay for your RN-BSN AND give you a raise after you get your BSN. Personally, as long as it says R.N. at the end of their name, they are a nurse to me.

I have a diploma in nursing. I have worked in several areas of the nursing field. When I graduated we were floor ready and the schools that were graduating their own nurses with BSN were not hiring their own nurses. Why because they had more instruction in the humanities than in the hospitals and required more instruction than we did that graduated with diplomas. As far as being more safe I can hardly believe the findings. I think this study was very scewed. One example is...I have a director in the field in which I work (homehealth) who has never worked in the "field" or "on the floor" she has always been management but counts herself as a supervisor on the weekends so if you need help with something she will tell you don't call her she doesn't have a clue as to what is going on out there!!!!

Specializes in L&D.
Originally posted by ainz

On this thread we talk about a "skewed" study and question the integrity of the methology and if it can be generalized and then make such anecdotal statements as "most BSNs. . . . "

How many of us as consumers of research really know how to determine if a study is valid and can be generalized in the first place? I don't think they teach that in ADN programs at all and very very briefly in BSN programs.

Our bases for arguments in this age-ol debate (which does need to be revived an RESOLVED), in my opinion, miss the mark as to why it should be debated and an issue in the first place. Focusing on which program produces the "better" clinical nurses probably cannot be proved and probably is no different as far as clinical skills.

The issue is this for the advancement of nursig. Professions require advaned education. Other healthcare professions have definite paths of education that are clearly defined before one can enter the profession. Other healthcare professions are increasing their entry level education requirements as the body of knowledge in health sciences increases. Nursing is not. This is a major set back for us as we are struggling to gain more autonomy and professional respect and recogniton. As someone on this BB said before.

Americans equate professionalism with higher education. Our healthcare peers equate professionalism with higher education. Nursing does not seem to get it and we wonder why we are treated with disrespect.

Let's get our heads out of the sand and stop the bickering and finger pointing. If we want to be treated like professionals then we must display the behaviors associated with such and have the educational requiremnts that are in line with definition of "professional." No offense to anyone, but how can you expect to gain respect for your clinical expertise when you have nurses with 1, 2, 3 years of education, or even 4 for that matter sittng at the table with other disciplines that require masters and doctoral degrees to even enter the field?

I like what is said here too! Nicely done!

This is my first post to the board after lurking for some time... As a person with a graduate degree in another field I note the nature of this debate is part of the problem.

The bottom line is this: Until nursing recognizes the BSN as the entry-level education for practice then nursing will not be as respected as it should be by other health professionals. Sorry, but that's the truth. Education = respect in the medical field as someone else has already pointed out. Associate's degree recipients are never going to be given autonomy and be considered peers by those with Master and Doctoral preparation. People with Master's and Doctoral level preparation realize the importance of education and will, well, scoff at those who think that education is not important.

It seems obvious that those with ADN and diploma school preparation feel strongly that they have plenty of education to function well in their jobs. In many circumstances this may be true. In general, however, thinking that you have plenty of education is a sure sign that you do not. The longer you continue your education and the more you learn the more you realize that you do NOT know as much as you initially thought.

BSN programs require more than just additional prerequisites -- they also require more nursing classes. And both are important. Don't discount the importance of the prerequisites; western civilization and other such things too. Mental development, analytical thought, and logical decision making is honed by continued learning generally, and not just in specific clinical classes. How about we start training nurses in 10th grade and then let them out to work a couple of years later? Because it won't work. Continued learning, emotional maturity, and a host of other factors are affected by age, education, experience, etc.

Certainly there will be many very intelligent ADNs and a subset of these will outperform their BSN, or even MSN, peers. But this will be the exception rather than the rule and will get worse with the continuing evolution and growing complexity of medicine.

It appears to me that not many of the people with highly emotional responses to this study are equipped with the statistics and research background to conclude whether this study is bunk or not. My personal opinion is that further studies will conclude that there is a statistical trend. At what point would you conclude that no more education will contribute to more favorable outcomes? Is 2 years of education the magic number? Unlikely.

I would like to make clear that I am not "bashing" ADNs or diploma school nurses; I am simply pointing out what many others, including most of the nursing associations, have already pointed out: until the BSN is viewed differently than other RNs, nursing will not make substantial progress as a profession.

I would be more likely to look seriously at this study if I was sure it was conducted in a nonbiased manner. As it is, I am suspect of studies like this one and similar; for example, studies by pharmaceutical companies where they are their own benefactors.

I am all for entry level of professional nursing being the BSN if only to unite us. The caste system and the one- upmanship of the 3 levels of RN is devastating to us as a profession, IMHO. We need solidarity desperately.

And I am a lowly diploma RN who isn't even mentioned in this 'study' I'd wager...but as a practicing RN who is still in the game after 27 yrs, I'm pretty confident I'm worth my salt.

i really think saftey depends on the person. how can someone say that a person with less education will not be as safe as someone with more education? common sence is something that cannot be taught in school!

Hospital brass loves to pit nurses against each other. They know it distracts everyone from the real issues of poor pay and unsafe conditions!!!! Don't let them get away with it.

Specializes in Nursing Education.

Has anyone considered what high patient ratios does to patient mortality? Perhaps that should be the next study that is completed! This type of study really trips my last nerve. How dare someone take over 60% of the practicing nurses and simply say that because they hold less than a BSN, there are higher patients deaths! What about illegible orders, what about patient ratios, what about mandatory overtime, what about all the other concerns that nurses have been discussing for years. To simply label higher patient deaths on the the RN whichs holds an ADN is WRONG and I for one am terribly offended!

I agree that nursing as a profession needs to address entry level into our profession. Perhaps as technology changes and becomes more advanced, it is a realistic goal to eventually make the BSN as entry level. But to label ADN nurses as the REASON for increased patient deaths is really unbelieveable in my opinion. Wow, I wish I had never read this now my BP is sky high.

Sorry about the rant, but wow, what a terrible thing to read. ADN's out there should be as outraged as I am!

Besides, as nurses earn higher degrees, hospitals are not going to pay! How many nurses that are BSN's actually make more because of their degree. Sure, some, but the majority would probably say no!

Patrick:(

Specializes in ER.

folks !

this study doesn't tell us which education is better-want to know why?

if you take a random sample of adn s and a one of bsn's you will undoubtedly get some bsn' s who went back after their initial adn to improve their qualifications. so the bsn sample likely has nurses with more education and experience than the adn's.

the opposite is not true- bsn's don't go back to get their adn.

to get a "valid" study in my opinion they would have to survey new grads only.

the study is bunk-and not worth starting a world war over.

canoehead

(glad that this is not my forum to moderate:))

Originally posted by barefootlady

Very few BSN nurses stay at the bedside to learn through patient care. They move quickly into supervision or other paper jobs. It is a shame that some supervisors are making decisions about patient care and don't have enough time at the bedside to know what some patients really need in the way of adequate patient care. Don't say it's the floor nurse's job to point out that the patient may not be approiate for the unit. I have been there, done that, and been told you have the bed, the patient is yours.

BSN vs. ASN has been an ongoing debate for over 20 years, no answers in sight. It depends on the nursing heart/instinct of the nurse at the bedside most of the time. Administration wants only a warm body to fill a need a the present time. That is why bedside nursing is in such trouble. Too many shortcuts have been endorsed by institutions that are not in the best interest of the patient. Nurses want to give good care, when we can't we feel terrible, this leads to burn out and looking at other jobs, such as HH jobs, where we can give care and bond with out patients. Sorry this is so long but education is not the only way to judge a nurse.

I have stayed in the clinical ladder my entire nursing career. I wouldn't know how to make a schedule if my life depended upon it. I have spent the whole time at the hospital bedside, the home bedside, and the away from the clinical scene to another scene.

The only time I left the so called bedside was to educate others.

I became a CNS and remain in active care. Wow! ADN's Vs BSN's is a very caustic topic. The all or nothing tone is wrong. Besides, we all know Diploma nurses run rings around everyone.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Originally posted by fergus51

Who has that barfy smiley when you need it....

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That one?

This thread makes me dread going back to school for my master's.

What about the pride and great sense of accomplishment that comes along with having a Bachelor of Science Degree? It is not just about the money. I feel that I have received a well-rounded education at my "University". I don't view nursing as a job, but rather a career. One of my instructors said it best " We could probably train a monkey to give injections and place foleys, but we could not make them understand the rationale and scientific base of the skill." Interacting with and being taught by instructors of various disciplines is invaluable. While I don't feel that having a Bachelor of Science in Nursing will make me any better than an ADN, I do feel that it will make me unique in my educational background. I recommend the BSN route to anyone who has the means to do so! Futhermore, I believe that the fact that some people view nursing only as a technical skill that requires minimal education, says a whole lot about the subject. Nursing is a science and I will do everything in my power to uphold it as such. :kiss

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