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Now, I am all for further education, but I think this study is skewed. I truly don't see how they have come to the conclusion that taking more courses in the humanities and other such non-nursing related courses is going to produce a more competent bedside nurse. The core nursing cirriculum for most ADN and BSN programs is quite similar in my experience. I can see where the BSN nurse may have it over the ADN in managerial type roles, but as a bedside nurse? I think lots more studies need to be done before this quick conclusion is drawn. One factor that may affect nursing in this negative way is the poor economy. Maybe it is that some people are going into nursing just because it will almost guarantee them employment and don't really want to be in nursing and therefore are not as dedicated as nurses? These people may not want to go for the BSN. I don't know...that is just something I am throwing out there because this makes no sense to me. I don't want to start the old BSN vs. ADN war, but this is news and I was wondering, what do you all think?
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030923-050052-9024r
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The ongoing nursing shortage in the United States has forced some hospitals to rely on nurses with less than a college education as they scramble to fill vacancies but new research suggests the practice can yield deadly consequences for patients.
The study, the first of its kind, reveals patients undergoing surgeries at hospitals where a greater proportion of nurses have obtained a bachelor's or higher degree experienced a lower rate of death than patients at hospitals where most nurses had only associate degrees.
Such findings have implications not only for patients but also for how nursing schools, hospitals and even the U.S. Congress should address the nursing shortage, Linda Aiken, a nurse and lead investigator of the study, told United Press International.
These institutions have made efforts to address the nursing shortage by facilitating the rapid training of nurses via associate degree programs, but the study indicates in the long-run the strategy might be worse for both patients and hospitals, said Aiken, who is director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing in Philadelphia.
It underscores the need to find ways to increase the numbers of nurses graduating from bachelor degree programs, she said, noting some hospitals studied did not employ a single nurse with a bachelor's or higher degree.
In the study, which is published in the Sept. 24 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Aiken's team examined patient data from 168 Pennsylvania hospitals over a 19-month period beginning in 1998. They found, all other factors being equal, hospitals where 60 percent of the nurses held a bachelor's degree or higher had a 19-percent lower rate of surgical patients dying within 30 days of admission or dying from complications than hospitals where only 20 percent of nurses had higher degrees.
The authors estimate if all the hospitals in the study could meet the 60-percent, bachelor's-degree-or-higher threshold, 725 patient deaths could have been prevented over the study period.
The differences in patient mortality rates "are stunning and should make people very concerned," Geraldine Bednash, a registered nurse and executive director of the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, told UPI. "One of the first questions (patients) ought to ask people in a hospital is what is the proportion of their nurses with bachelor's degrees, and if it's not 60 percent or higher, I'd be very concerned about going into that hospital," Bednash said.
The higher rate of patient deaths associated with lower education level is compounded by the fact that "all of the federal government's projections about the nursing shortage over the past decade have not only projected a shortage of nurses but a severe shortage of baccalaureate degreed nurses," Aiken said. At present, less than half of all hospital staff nurses across the nation hold bachelor's degrees or higher.
"Policymakers seem to think we just need to get nurses out fast," but that is not good for hospitals or patients, Bednash said, suggesting legislators should focus on developing ways to produce more nurses with bachelor degrees because "it makes a difference in people's care and whether or not they live or die."
President George W. Bush signed the Nurse Reinvestment Act into law in 2002 in an effort to remedy the nursing shortage and Congress will likely authorize no more than $163 million for fiscal year 2004. But this falls far short of the $250 million the American Association of Colleges of Nursing estimated would be needed to address the problem.
"To date, we've had mostly a symbolic response from Congress," Aiken said, noting the money the legislative body has appropriated is "not a sufficient amount to close the nursing shortage."
Hospitals also have a role to play in addressing the problem, however, Aiken continued. They should "subsidize continued education to the nurses because there is a return to the hospital in terms of greater productivity and better patient outcomes," she said. But many hospitals do not seem to recognize the value of more education in their nurse because many have discontinued tuition reimbursement programs to help their nurses obtain bachelor's or advanced degrees, she said.
Aiken also noted the study found nursing experience was not associated with lower mortality rates of patients. "It's the educational level that's important and experience alone cannot achieve the same level of benefit for the patient as education plus experience," she said.
Joan Hrubetz, dean of the school of nursing at Saint Louis University, said as medical treatments become even more sophisticated, hospitals "will need nurses with advanced education to be able to deal with the kinds of treatments and diagnostics" that likely would be developed in the era of genetics and molecular-based medicine. "I don't think there's any question we need better trained nurses," Hrubetz told UPI.
Nevertheless, hospitals appear to be reluctant to make any changes based on this single study.
"Hospitals are very interested in studies such as this ... but it really needs to have further studies done because this really only represents one state," Rita Turley, president of the American Organization of Nurse Executives -- a subsidiary of the American Hospital Association -- told UPI.
The good news is although enrollment rates in baccalaureate nursing programs had been down over the past decade, they now appear to be on the rise. In addition, many schools are offering rapid training programs, in which holders of bachelor degrees in other fields can obtain a bachelor's degree in nursing in approximately one year, which may help increase the number of people joining the nursing profession.
Originally posted by sam wAs a senior nurse in the uk , I have often been frutstrated by the way in which our training institutions have changed , I qualified ten years ago, and had very proudly gained a Diploma in Nursing studies for my efforts. Only three years later students on the same course,( yet modified) were completing their studies with a Degree.The same students entered the clinical areas with lots of formal qualifications, yet little common sense or awareness of thepatients needs, they could write a beautiful essay on bedbaths but couldnt give one ! This continues now and the subject of preceptorship now means starting again at the very beginning with brand new staff nurses. I believe that post reg degrees are a wonderful way of consolidating practice and experience with new learning, but I believe the new staff need the experience first!
I feel this frustration as a student practical nurse. I feel I'm spending too much time writing papers on cultural issues,etc. and how to promote myself as a professional and not enough time in guided practice in nursing skills.
Originally posted by flenoyWhat about the pride and great sense of accomplishment that comes along with having a Bachelor of Science Degree? It is not just about the money. I feel that I have received a well-rounded education at my "University". I don't view nursing as a job, but rather a career. One of my instructors said it best " We could probably train a monkey to give injections and place foleys, but we could not make them understand the rationale and scientific base of the skill." Interacting with and being taught by instructors of various disciplines is invaluable. While I don't feel that having a Bachelor of Science in Nursing will make me any better than an ADN, I do feel that it will make me unique in my educational background. I recommend the BSN route to anyone who has the means to do so! Futhermore, I believe that the fact that some people view nursing only as a technical skill that requires minimal education, says a whole lot about the subject. Nursing is a science and I will do everything in my power to uphold it as such. :kiss
Your education " unique"? hardly. Do you really believe that?
And nursing a science? Yes but my friend, it's also an ART.....or did you not learn that in nursing school as part of your vast array of educational classes?
No matter, you will learn nursing is an ART as well as SCIENCE, as you practice, or at least i HOPE you do.
Originally posted by mattsmom81I do believe that 'trained monkey' line BSN instructors seem to like to use is one of the most harmful attitudes portrayed in our profession.
Ditto on that! That instructor and those who take on a similar attitude are idiots at best and partly responsible for the lack of respect that this profession endures.
If nurses are ever to be respected as a profession then education is necessary. I believe that BSN's give better care overall. It has been my experience and observation. I have been an LPN, associate's RN, BSN, and am currently working on my MSN. My care and performance has improved at each level. (And whoever said that going to school for LPN is harder than RN is highly misinformed.) Flame away if you like but I just don't get the "I don't need no educashun!" attitude of nurses.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people just don't get it. Ainz - please don't give up, even though most of what you say seems to fly high over the head of most here. You state the case very well.
I will begin by saying that I have only been a nurse for about five years. I have been going to school almost continually for this entire five year period. I first received an ADN, then a BSN, now working on MSN (to be done in December). I must say that I do not feel that my clinical skills have improved from this higher learning. Advanced degrees focus more on theories, research, and management issues. Although these are helpful topics, I believe the basic training that I received with my ADN degree program prepared me for what most nurses do, which is TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS. The on-the-job experience that I have obtained has taught me more than any class could ever teach me. I will say that higher degrees do allow for more job opportunities and advancements. There is room in this profession for all education levels. I have worked with many LPNs who are much more knowledgeable about patient care than I am because they have been on the job for many, many years(and you can be sure that I let them know how much I appreciate their help). You cannot discount the value of experience.
Originally posted by KMSRN. I believe that BSN's give better care overall. It has been my experience and observation. I.
WHAT OH WHAT, pray tell leads you to believe this falsity???? I really want to know. This is such a wrong statement, oh forget it. Don't get me started again. You are the one who does not get it.
I just wanted to address the point made several times in the article regarding the decreasing numbers of nurses graduating with BSN's. In my state (Colorado) the bottom line for this is the simple fact that: Regardless of degree held, PAY IS THE SAME!
Why spend twice as much time and money in school to make the same?! If there were reward for a higher degree, other than the ability to progress to management, believe me.....the degrees would be pursued further.
SG
Originally posted by AuroraRNI will begin by saying that I have only been a nurse for about five years. I have been going to school almost continually for this entire five year period. I first received an ADN, then a BSN, now working on MSN (to be done in December). I must say that I do not feel that my clinical skills have improved from this higher learning. Advanced degrees focus more on theories, research, and management issues. Although these are helpful topics, I believe the basic training that I received with my ADN degree program prepared me for what most nurses do, which is TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS. The on-the-job experience that I have obtained has taught me more than any class could ever teach me. I will say that higher degrees do allow for more job opportunities and advancements. There is room in this profession for all education levels. I have worked with many LPNs who are much more knowledgeable about patient care than I am because they have been on the job for many, many years(and you can be sure that I let them know how much I appreciate their help). You cannot discount the value of experience.
Very well said. While I haven't advanced my degree yet, I've taken many hours of continuing education. Currently I'm taking, for college credit, "Progressive Care Nursing". This has only helped me.
Definately agree that experience is the greatest teacher.
Critical thinking, accountability and knowing the "why" behind interventions was stressed at every point in my ADN classes, and mentioned in passing during the nursing leadership class for my BSN. Unfortunately the BSN program never actually required that I do any clinical to prove my skills so perhaps I missed that part. I can write a mean paper though.
Betty_SPN_KS, LPN
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Like many other student practical nurses, I am considering how I might continue my education. There are a lot of factors to consider. Cost, location, time, competition to get into the programs, one's personal career goals.
I've heard from more than one source that LPN school is harder than RN school. Why is that? Is it because there is so much to cram into that one year of school that an RN program can spread out a little more?
As far as deciding on LPN-to-ADN or LPN-to-BSN, factors include how much I might have to work in the meantime, and how much time I can afford for school.
I hope I get a good orientation when I start my job. I won't be a "know-it-all".