BSN's deliver safer care than ADN's??

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Now, I am all for further education, but I think this study is skewed. I truly don't see how they have come to the conclusion that taking more courses in the humanities and other such non-nursing related courses is going to produce a more competent bedside nurse. The core nursing cirriculum for most ADN and BSN programs is quite similar in my experience. I can see where the BSN nurse may have it over the ADN in managerial type roles, but as a bedside nurse? I think lots more studies need to be done before this quick conclusion is drawn. One factor that may affect nursing in this negative way is the poor economy. Maybe it is that some people are going into nursing just because it will almost guarantee them employment and don't really want to be in nursing and therefore are not as dedicated as nurses? These people may not want to go for the BSN. I don't know...that is just something I am throwing out there because this makes no sense to me. I don't want to start the old BSN vs. ADN war, but this is news and I was wondering, what do you all think?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030923-050052-9024r

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The ongoing nursing shortage in the United States has forced some hospitals to rely on nurses with less than a college education as they scramble to fill vacancies but new research suggests the practice can yield deadly consequences for patients.

The study, the first of its kind, reveals patients undergoing surgeries at hospitals where a greater proportion of nurses have obtained a bachelor's or higher degree experienced a lower rate of death than patients at hospitals where most nurses had only associate degrees.

Such findings have implications not only for patients but also for how nursing schools, hospitals and even the U.S. Congress should address the nursing shortage, Linda Aiken, a nurse and lead investigator of the study, told United Press International.

These institutions have made efforts to address the nursing shortage by facilitating the rapid training of nurses via associate degree programs, but the study indicates in the long-run the strategy might be worse for both patients and hospitals, said Aiken, who is director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing in Philadelphia.

It underscores the need to find ways to increase the numbers of nurses graduating from bachelor degree programs, she said, noting some hospitals studied did not employ a single nurse with a bachelor's or higher degree.

In the study, which is published in the Sept. 24 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Aiken's team examined patient data from 168 Pennsylvania hospitals over a 19-month period beginning in 1998. They found, all other factors being equal, hospitals where 60 percent of the nurses held a bachelor's degree or higher had a 19-percent lower rate of surgical patients dying within 30 days of admission or dying from complications than hospitals where only 20 percent of nurses had higher degrees.

The authors estimate if all the hospitals in the study could meet the 60-percent, bachelor's-degree-or-higher threshold, 725 patient deaths could have been prevented over the study period.

The differences in patient mortality rates "are stunning and should make people very concerned," Geraldine Bednash, a registered nurse and executive director of the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, told UPI. "One of the first questions (patients) ought to ask people in a hospital is what is the proportion of their nurses with bachelor's degrees, and if it's not 60 percent or higher, I'd be very concerned about going into that hospital," Bednash said.

The higher rate of patient deaths associated with lower education level is compounded by the fact that "all of the federal government's projections about the nursing shortage over the past decade have not only projected a shortage of nurses but a severe shortage of baccalaureate degreed nurses," Aiken said. At present, less than half of all hospital staff nurses across the nation hold bachelor's degrees or higher.

"Policymakers seem to think we just need to get nurses out fast," but that is not good for hospitals or patients, Bednash said, suggesting legislators should focus on developing ways to produce more nurses with bachelor degrees because "it makes a difference in people's care and whether or not they live or die."

President George W. Bush signed the Nurse Reinvestment Act into law in 2002 in an effort to remedy the nursing shortage and Congress will likely authorize no more than $163 million for fiscal year 2004. But this falls far short of the $250 million the American Association of Colleges of Nursing estimated would be needed to address the problem.

"To date, we've had mostly a symbolic response from Congress," Aiken said, noting the money the legislative body has appropriated is "not a sufficient amount to close the nursing shortage."

Hospitals also have a role to play in addressing the problem, however, Aiken continued. They should "subsidize continued education to the nurses because there is a return to the hospital in terms of greater productivity and better patient outcomes," she said. But many hospitals do not seem to recognize the value of more education in their nurse because many have discontinued tuition reimbursement programs to help their nurses obtain bachelor's or advanced degrees, she said.

Aiken also noted the study found nursing experience was not associated with lower mortality rates of patients. "It's the educational level that's important and experience alone cannot achieve the same level of benefit for the patient as education plus experience," she said.

Joan Hrubetz, dean of the school of nursing at Saint Louis University, said as medical treatments become even more sophisticated, hospitals "will need nurses with advanced education to be able to deal with the kinds of treatments and diagnostics" that likely would be developed in the era of genetics and molecular-based medicine. "I don't think there's any question we need better trained nurses," Hrubetz told UPI.

Nevertheless, hospitals appear to be reluctant to make any changes based on this single study.

"Hospitals are very interested in studies such as this ... but it really needs to have further studies done because this really only represents one state," Rita Turley, president of the American Organization of Nurse Executives -- a subsidiary of the American Hospital Association -- told UPI.

The good news is although enrollment rates in baccalaureate nursing programs had been down over the past decade, they now appear to be on the rise. In addition, many schools are offering rapid training programs, in which holders of bachelor degrees in other fields can obtain a bachelor's degree in nursing in approximately one year, which may help increase the number of people joining the nursing profession.

Originally posted by RNnTraining1973

Snowie...where on earth are you taking an $800 ADN program????? Wow...my tuition just for the first semester of a 4 semester program was $700, give or take a few bucks. Add the $600 for my books and that brings the total up to approx. $1300 for one semester.

The program + fees was a total of 700.. with books it was about 900. I got in the bookstore the very first day of pre-reg and scooped up used books. I payed NO MONEY b/c of my grant/scholarship. If I had went to the BSN program (btw.. theres only 1 BSN program here.. and its a private college). I would be paying 16k + not including transportation, books, fees, etc.

Originally posted by ainz

It is very sad and unfortunate that our own profession does not even recognize and reward higher education.

The laws of economics apply as well and so does the law of nature in terms of the path of least resistance. I also did the ADN because it was cheaper and easier. We damage ourselves in our quest for higher pay and better conditions when we remain trapped in the ranks of paid by the hour quasi-professionals. It has an insidious, subtle, effect overall on nursing as a whole when we do not aggressively promote and require higher education and continually raise our standards.

I would suggest pulling out our old sociology books and re-reading the definition of a profession.

What a load of poo.

Originally posted by ainz

It is very sad and unfortunate that our own profession does not even recognize and reward higher education.

The laws of economics apply as well and so does the law of nature in terms of the path of least resistance. I also did the ADN because it was cheaper and easier. We damage ourselves in our quest for higher pay and better conditions when we remain trapped in the ranks of paid by the hour quasi-professionals. It has an insidious, subtle, effect overall on nursing as a whole when we do not aggressively promote and require higher education and continually raise our standards.

I would suggest pulling out our old sociology books and re-reading the definition of a profession. [/QUO

i'm with you ainz. to be seen as a profession we need a standard of education. it doesn't mean that the current ADN's ar less of a nurse. just that future nurses need to acquire the same education.

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.

This thread was started to point out a flawed and obviously limited study implying BSN's give better care at the bedside than ADN's. I think most of us agree this study was bunk.

I was sorry to see it disintegrate into a slug fest between the two levels of nursing. More education will not make nurses more respected, but perhaps a mutual respect of each other for what are our own contribution to the profession is a good place to start in achieving that. How can the public hold us in any sense of esteem when we can't even see ourselves for what we are worth? Exposing ourselves as a pack of hysterical and back biting women each time the terms adn/bsn appear in the same sentence, doesn't make me swell with pride to be part of this profession!

Originally posted by sbic56

This thread was started to point out a flawed and obviously limited study implying BSN's give better care at the bedside than ADN's. I think most of us agree this study was bunk.

I was sorry to see it disintegrate into a slug fest between the two levels of nursing. More education will not make nurses more respected, but perhaps a mutual respect of each other for what are our own contribution to the profession is a good place to start in achieving that. How can the public hold us in any sense of esteem when we can't even see ourselves for what we are worth? Exposing ourselves as a pack of hysterical and back biting women each time the terms adn/bsn appear in the same sentence, doesn't make me swell with pride to be part of this profession!

by stating that "we are back biting women" ignores the fact that there are also men in this profession. think about that.

I do not feel any one should be judged by their level of education. That said, no one should be judged because they have a higher degree. Nurses are people who for years got the short end of the stick. People's lives are at stake and the guy down the street working construction gets more money than we do. No, I am not degrading construction workers. I think if you are in the field of nursing you owe it to yourself to continue your education, no matter what degree you have. Build on the education that you have. Everyone who is in the health care field knows that it is a dynamic area always changing. That is the one thing that makes nursing great... something new everyday. Nurses need to be supportive of each other learn from each other, let's face it the more we act as a team the better off we are.

Originally posted by sbic56

Now, I am all for further education, but I think this study is skewed. I truly don't see how they have come to the conclusion that taking more courses in the humanities and other such non-nursing related courses is going to produce a more competent bedside nurse. The core nursing cirriculum for most ADN and BSN programs is quite similar in my experience. I can see where the BSN nurse may have it over the ADN in managerial type roles, but as a bedside nurse? I think lots more studies need to be done before this quick conclusion is drawn. One factor that may affect nursing in this negative way is the poor economy. Maybe it is that some people are going into nursing just because it will almost guarantee them employment and don't really want to be in nursing and therefore are not as dedicated as nurses? These people may not want to go for the BSN. I don't know...that is just something I am throwing out there because this makes no sense to me. I don't want to start the old BSN vs. ADN war, but this is news and I was wondering, what do you all think?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030923-050052-9024r

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- The ongoing nursing shortage in the United States has forced some hospitals to rely on nurses with less than a college education as they scramble to fill vacancies but new research suggests the practice can yield deadly consequences for patients.

The study, the first of its kind, reveals patients undergoing surgeries at hospitals where a greater proportion of nurses have obtained a bachelor's or higher degree experienced a lower rate of death than patients at hospitals where most nurses had only associate degrees.

Such findings have implications not only for patients but also for how nursing schools, hospitals and even the U.S. Congress should address the nursing shortage, Linda Aiken, a nurse and lead investigator of the study, told United Press International.

These institutions have made efforts to address the nursing shortage by facilitating the rapid training of nurses via associate degree programs, but the study indicates in the long-run the strategy might be worse for both patients and hospitals, said Aiken, who is director of the center for health outcomes and policy research at the University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing in Philadelphia.

It underscores the need to find ways to increase the numbers of nurses graduating from bachelor degree programs, she said, noting some hospitals studied did not employ a single nurse with a bachelor's or higher degree.

In the study, which is published in the Sept. 24 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Aiken's team examined patient data from 168 Pennsylvania hospitals over a 19-month period beginning in 1998. They found, all other factors being equal, hospitals where 60 percent of the nurses held a bachelor's degree or higher had a 19-percent lower rate of surgical patients dying within 30 days of admission or dying from complications than hospitals where only 20 percent of nurses had higher degrees.

The authors estimate if all the hospitals in the study could meet the 60-percent, bachelor's-degree-or-higher threshold, 725 patient deaths could have been prevented over the study period.

The differences in patient mortality rates "are stunning and should make people very concerned," Geraldine Bednash, a registered nurse and executive director of the American Association of Colleges of Nursing, told UPI. "One of the first questions (patients) ought to ask people in a hospital is what is the proportion of their nurses with bachelor's degrees, and if it's not 60 percent or higher, I'd be very concerned about going into that hospital," Bednash said.

The higher rate of patient deaths associated with lower education level is compounded by the fact that "all of the federal government's projections about the nursing shortage over the past decade have not only projected a shortage of nurses but a severe shortage of baccalaureate degreed nurses," Aiken said. At present, less than half of all hospital staff nurses across the nation hold bachelor's degrees or higher.

"Policymakers seem to think we just need to get nurses out fast," but that is not good for hospitals or patients, Bednash said, suggesting legislators should focus on developing ways to produce more nurses with bachelor degrees because "it makes a difference in people's care and whether or not they live or die."

President George W. Bush signed the Nurse Reinvestment Act into law in 2002 in an effort to remedy the nursing shortage and Congress will likely authorize no more than $163 million for fiscal year 2004. But this falls far short of the $250 million the American Association of Colleges of Nursing estimated would be needed to address the problem.

"To date, we've had mostly a symbolic response from Congress," Aiken said, noting the money the legislative body has appropriated is "not a sufficient amount to close the nursing shortage."

Hospitals also have a role to play in addressing the problem, however, Aiken continued. They should "subsidize continued education to the nurses because there is a return to the hospital in terms of greater productivity and better patient outcomes," she said. But many hospitals do not seem to recognize the value of more education in their nurse because many have discontinued tuition reimbursement programs to help their nurses obtain bachelor's or advanced degrees, she said.

Aiken also noted the study found nursing experience was not associated with lower mortality rates of patients. "It's the educational level that's important and experience alone cannot achieve the same level of benefit for the patient as education plus experience," she said.

Joan Hrubetz, dean of the school of nursing at Saint Louis University, said as medical treatments become even more sophisticated, hospitals "will need nurses with advanced education to be able to deal with the kinds of treatments and diagnostics" that likely would be developed in the era of genetics and molecular-based medicine. "I don't think there's any question we need better trained nurses," Hrubetz told UPI.

Nevertheless, hospitals appear to be reluctant to make any changes based on this single study.

"Hospitals are very interested in studies such as this ... but it really needs to have further studies done because this really only represents one state," Rita Turley, president of the American Organization of Nurse Executives -- a subsidiary of the American Hospital Association -- told UPI.

The good news is although enrollment rates in baccalaureate nursing programs had been down over the past decade, they now appear to be on the rise. In addition, many schools are offering rapid training programs, in which holders of bachelor degrees in other fields can obtain a bachelor's degree in nursing in approximately one year, which may help increase the number of people joining the nursing profession.

As a senior nurse in the uk , I have often been frutstrated by the way in which our training institutions have changed , I qualified ten years ago, and had very proudly gained a Diploma in Nursing studies for my efforts. Only three years later students on the same course,( yet modified) were completing their studies with a Degree.The same students entered the clinical areas with lots of formal qualifications, yet little common sense or awareness of thepatients needs, they could write a beautiful essay on bedbaths but couldnt give one ! This continues now and the subject of preceptorship now means starting again at the very beginning with brand new staff nurses. I believe that post reg degrees are a wonderful way of consolidating practice and experience with new learning, but I believe the new staff need the experience first!

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.
Originally posted by CougRN

by stating that "we are back biting women" ignores the fact that there are also men in this profession. think about that.

True, but nursing is predominantly a female profession. For whatever reasons, men seem to be more supportive and less critical of one another. Just the nature of the sexes, I think.

Who has that barfy smiley when you need it....

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

"two levels of nursing"???

hmmmmmm

I dont' think so.

Ooh please! Safer care? I am laughing at this one because it is obvious someone is trying to stir the pot. Considering the courses that are taken to receive a BSN has nothing to do with clinical.

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